Teaching Timbers: An American League Playing an International Sport
One of my favorite things about soccer isn't necessarily the game itself, but rather how interconnected the entire world is with the game. With the MLB, NFL, NBA, and NHL there's little beyond the actual league that goes on with the sport (I'm aware of FIBA and some minor occurrences outside the leagues). With soccer, almost every nation in the world has a league that fosters a national team to partake in international competitions.
MLS, like leagues all over the world, is no different. While we predominantly play against each other (Portland vs. Seattle, for example) there are a series of other tournaments we partake in that can, potentially, have us facing off against the best teams the world can muster.
In this edition of "Teaching Timbers" I'm going to walk you through each of the competitions that we as a team could potentially participate in on an international level. We'll also discuss the U.S. Open Cup even though it's not necessarily "international."
CONCACAF
As you get more and more into MLS and soccer in general, being an American resident, you'll no doubt begin to hear this word get tossed around quite often, especially as the summer approaches. CONCACAF is a loose acronym for the Confederations of North, Central American, and Caribbean Association Football. Quite a mouthful, I know, which is why we just call it Concacaf, pronounced phonetically.
Each continent or landmass has their own confederation. South American has CONMEBOL, Europe has UEFA (arguably the most competitive), Africa has CAF, Asia has AFC, and the Pacific Islands including New Zealand have the OFC. Each confederation is a branch of FIFA that directly controls and licenses official soccer leagues, competitions and events within their continental boundaries.
Seeing as how the Timbers will be taking part in CONCACAF tournaments, when applicable, we'll primary stick to explaining these events.
CONCACAF Champions League (CCL)
When the NBA, or NFL crown a winner for the league what happens thereafter? Not much. The season is over, teams go into off-season, and then the season begins anew next Autumn-ish. Same can be said for baseball and hockey. Not so with soccer or MLS. While the league will end, a team will be crowned a winner, and the off-season will begin as with other American leagues, one of the primary incentives to winning the league (either the Supporters' Shield or MLS Cup) is to partake in the following year's CCL.
The CCL is, as I'm sure you can probably guess, a continent-wide tournament that features teams from all over our CONCACAF. The tournament begins in August each year and boasts 24 teams total. Four of them coming from the United States and a single coming from Canada with the rest coming from various other leagues around the continent.
The way the Timbers would be able to get into the following year's CCL is by doing at least one of these things:
- Winning the MLS Cup
- Runner-up to the MLS Cup
- Winning the Supporter's Shield
- Winning the US Open Cup (we'll get to this later)
No easy feat, mind you. The CCL is designed to test the best against the best of the continent. To this day only two MLS teams have won the CCL: DC United in 1998 and the LA Galaxy in 2000. We've been win-less for over a decade now.
The winner of the CCL moves on to play in the FIFA Club World Cup, an international club championship hosted by FIFA.
FIFA Club World Cup
The FIFA Club World Cup is a fairly recent tournament having only been officially founded in 2000 and later re-established in 2005. To date there has only been seven competitions in total. It's also one of the tournaments that most soccer fans don't really care about given it's infancy and lack of pizazz. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't care about it.
Currently, aside from a friendly, the Club World Cup is the only way the Timbers will ever face a top international team in competitive play. Now, personally, you can throw all kinds of friendlies at me, but until something is on the line I won't really care about it. With the FIFA Club World Cup, something is on the line: the world championship title.
The tournament occurs once per year with seven teams (the winner of each continent's Champions League). This means that the only way the Timbers will make it in is if we win the CCL. Still if we do make it in and we do win the tournament, the club can win a healthy $5,000,000 prize, a trophy, and the ability to where a special badge on the kits until the next FIFA Club World Cup champions has been decided.
While it may not seem like much right now, as the tournament matures and grows into something more grandiose we will hopefully see teams, including our own, set their ambitions on winning it.
Superliga
On an international scale, the North American Superliga is the last remaining tournament to discuss. Honestly, it's not my favorite tournament and I see little reason in why we hold it at all.
Each year, since 2007, MLS and the Primera Division of Mexico (Mexico's major league) contest in an eight team match up tournament. Four from MLS and four from the Primera Division.
In the four years it's been running only in 2008 did an MLS team win the championship, the New England Revolution.
The way the MS teams are chosen is the four best teams in the league not already competing in the CCL will play in the Superliga. So, basically, teams number 5-8 on the table will participate (some exceptions apply). That should give you some idea that the tournament isn't really regarded that highly.
The 2011 Superliga has not yet been announced leaving some to wonder if it will even occur at all.
The Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup
Finally, we have the U.S. Open Cup, otherwise known as that thing Seattle has won a couple years in a row now. Seriously, though, it's a legitimate cup that we should definitely try to attain.
The U.S. Open Cup is our nation's longest running consistent soccer tournament having been in existence since 1914. Yes, it's older than the NHL, NFL, and the NBA. That said, however, until MLS the tournament was largely played by amateur or semi-pro teams in local markets. It really didn't become a big deal (and even that is arguable today) until the founding of MLS in 1996. Since then MLS teams have consistently won the tournament.
At this point, if you're unfamiliar with the tournament, you might be wondering what I mean by MLS teams have consistently won the tournament. Well, despite MLS being the top flight American league, that doesn't mean the tournament is exclusive to MLS teams. Currently eight teams from each division in the US partake in the nationwide tournament: MLS (Division 1), NASL (D2), USL Pro (D3), PDL (D4), and USASA (D5). Typically, only MLS teams and an occasional NASL team will make it to the upper echelons of the tournament though.
As mentioned above the winner of the US Cup, since 2008, earns a berth into the CCL, making the tournament not only worthwhile, but far more exciting now than it was prior.
Also worth noting is that no Canadian team participates in the U.S. Open Cup. No matter if they play in MLS or not. This is our national championship. Canada has their own national tournament called the Nutrilite Canadian Championship.
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Well that about does it for international tournaments that we can ever be involved with. As you become more and more familiar with the game, you'll see many fans put a lot of emphasis on the UEFA Champions League. This is Europe's own tournament that traditionally has the best teams in the world play against each other. Unfortunately, unless something changes, the Timbers will never be apart of this league. The best we can hope for is to play against the champion of this tournament in the Club World Cup.
Next time on "Teaching Timbers" I'll focus on the national team, and national tournaments like the Confederation Cup and World Cup. While it may not be directly related to the Timbers, it's still a very important facet of the game at large and one which our league directly ties into.
Also keep in mind that the next entry in "Teaching Timbers" will be the last entry that focuses on the game at large. After that I'll begin narrowing in on the Timbers and what makes us so special.
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This series has been great
I have been sharing these posts with family and friends to help spread some knowledge about soccer. It’s tough to follow a sport if you don’t know how the league works.
"I have something 95 percent of all those All-Stars only wish they had: a World Series ring. If I had to choose between that and being an All-Star, it would be no contest. I’d grab the gold ring and never look back." -Tim Salmon
by BruinHalo on Dec 30, 2010 2:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions
A note about Club World Cup
Seven teams participate… One from each of the six confederations, and one from the host nation (usually the domestic league champion.)
For the Timbers to actually play in this competition they would either have to win CCL, or be the domestic champion if and when USA hosts CWC.
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A note about CCL
Like you said, the berths are awarded by country… But Canadian MLS teams do not qualify for CCL through MLS. They have to win their national cup competition to get in to CCL.
Also worth noting, no country may have more than 4 berth in to CCL. The United States and Mexico are the only countries that have four berths to CCL.
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A personal opinion on SuperLiga
If they actually made it like Europa League, were clubs knocked out of the early stages of Champions League play on in Europa League, then maybe SuperLiga might be more interesting. Right now it’s only four MLS teams and four 1a Division teams. Throw in four more teams from CONCACAF and another four who get knocked out of CCL (3rd in their group, like in UCL/UEL) and more people pay attention. As it is now, SuperLiga only seems to matter to fans of the clubs involved. Still, it’s a trophy, and worth fighting for.
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Another personal opinion about how US CCL berths are awarded
I am of the belief that the USOC winner and MLS Cup final loser should be sent to SuperLiga and those two CCL berths be given instead to the next two teams in the table behind the Supporters’ Shield winner. USSF and MLS need to be giving those berths to teams that win consistently — Not to teams that win a four round reserves tournament (USOC), or a team that came up short at the end (MLS Cup final loser.) Look up the performance of MLS clubs in CCL based on how the berth was awarded and you’ll see what I mean.
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Giving the USOC a berth in the CCL
is the only thing that motivates MLS teams to take it seriously which they should. But even more important, it is the only way lower division teams have a shot at CCL which seems only fair.
In comparison...
FA Cup and League Cup winners in England gain entry to Europa League, not Champions League. Yes, there is the issue of the American sports “caste” system which keeps teams from promotion to the top division. What’s “fair” is that the USSF get it’s best teams in CCL, and those teams can be found at the top of the MLS table. RSL and NYRB won’t be in the 2011-12 edition of CCL. That, IMHO, is an injustice.
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by david1978pdx on Dec 31, 2010 8:58 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
But as others have already said
Our version of europa (super liga) is a joke. Winning the open cup should be worth more than an entry to a joke tournement. I will give you the runner up to the MLS cup should not get it over an MLS team with a better record, but the winner of the open cup is one way to determine the best team from the US (and the only way a lesser league team has a chance). I just do not feel right not giving them a shot.
USOC is also a joke
Columbus beat Rochester, Charleston, and DC United to get to the finals last year. I’m not saying I don’t love the tournament, I love open style competition, its exciting (i.e. Portland v. Seattle last year). But come on, a team only has to beat 2-3 MLS teams to win the thing.
In 2009
Man Utd won the League Cup by beating Boro, QPR, Blackburn, Derby and Spurs, only 3 of which were Premier League teams. The League Cup may most assuredly be the poorest brother of the domestic treble, but it’s also certainly not a joke.
by Daaaaave on Dec 31, 2010 12:25 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
You love it
and its a joke
I’m proud to follow a team that beat yours twice, and many MLS teams to get the Cup.
We’ll take it in 2011 too.
I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart
Shouldn't you
be busy misattributing quotes and running apologia for your FO putting two fingers up to your fellow fans?
by Daaaaave on Dec 31, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Come again?
I would be stunned if any group of fans in Seattle thought that I backed the FO more than they. I regularly communicate with the ECs, GFC and NES.
And I have NEVER, not once, misattributed a quote. Nor will I.
I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart
Come on Dave...
There’s no need for flagrant accusations about a person’s character here. I’d like to think we are better than that.
RCTID - Stumptown Footy
Moderator of /r/MLS
by Geoff Gibson on Jan 1, 2011 10:06 AM PST up reply actions
Uh
You have no idea what I’m talking about. This is not an accusation, it’s proven fact. Dave showed his true colors in an interview we allowed him with a 107ist rep where he disassembled the quotes and rearranged them according to his own needs, after lying about being unable to contact us in the first place. He is persona non grata among real TA and I know for a fact that ECS leadership don’t care for him much either. If you want to get involved in this, I suggest you tread lightly.
by Daaaaave on Jan 1, 2011 11:34 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Dude, how about not dragging crap from other groups/sites/organizations into here?
I don’t think I’ve seen a single Geoff Gibson-acquired player quote on this website, for instance. These sites are about analysis, not so much about sports news, per se.
And if you don’t want to deal with Dave Clark, just ignore him. He’s going to be the only person posting here with a Sounders avatar, so he shouldn’t be too hard to miss if you want to.
Chickity-check yourself before you Rec yourself.
by thehemogoblin on Jan 1, 2011 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
STOP TRYING TO DRAW LINES BETWEEN THE TIMBERS ARMY AND TIMBERS FANS
by pdb on Jan 2, 2011 9:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
There is no "drawing lines"
there are people that have been around longer than others… there are people who are very active in the political aspect of the 107ist, or are tifo fanatics… you can choose your level of involvement in the process… But, ultimately what it comes down to is… If you love Portland and you love the Timbers, you are Timbers Army. Period.
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Yes, I love it and its a joke.
Dave Clark: I love it because watching lower division teams play MLS teams is fun. I think its a joke because its no harder than winning a few MLS games in a row. Your team had to go to a shootout to beat the team I follow (which was a division lower, as I’m sure you know). And the team I follow beat your team in Seattle.
You know what, I take that back.
It isn’t a joke because you only have to win a few games against MLS teams. Its because, despite being such an old tournament, there isn’t really a drive to win the thing and outisde Seattle, not many people show up or even know about the tournament. Daaaave, that’s the difference between here and England. I guess I would rather beat Cruz Azul once than win the USOC. Personal opinion, don’t blame anyone for disagreeing.
Well, winning the Open Cup is a route to facing Cruz Azul
But winning in Mexico would be awesome
I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart
I don't care who wins in Mexico..
So long as somebody does it soon. I thught RSL was going to do it last year, but alas… was not meant to be.
RCTID - Stumptown Footy
Moderator of /r/MLS
by Geoff Gibson on Jan 1, 2011 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Friendlies don't matter
You could win all the rest of them and I’d be happy.
Trophies matter.
And since a majority of MLS sides will face off in prelim rounds it isn’t as easy as you make it out. In 2009 the Sounders had to beat MLS teams before beating the Timbers
I am not a Supporter | I am not a Fan | I am a Sounder
Sounder At Heart
“In 2009 the Sounders had to beat MLS teams before beating the Timbers”
I don’t think that is true. Who did they play?
It's true
MLS gets 8 spots in the USOC and all of the enter in the third round. Only the top 6 US based MLS teams automatically qualify for the next season’s USOC. All remaining US based teams have a bracket to determine the final 2 qualifiers.
In 2009 Seattle defeated RSL and then Colorado in play-in matches before meeting (and beating in regulation time) Portland in the third round of the official tournament (the play-in matches are run by MLS and are not part of the official tournament).
In 2011, Portland will not qualify automatically for the USOC either. They’ll have to make their way through the MLS play-in rounds before getting into the tournament. Good luck with that. If you make it through the play-in rounds, Seattle will likely be waiting for you in the semifinals or the final (wouldn’t that be a massive event).
Links for further reading:
2009 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup qualification
2009 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final
2010 Lamar Hunt U.S. Open Cup Final (linked below by the great researcher Kejsare)
by K61 on Jan 1, 2011 7:20 PM PST up reply actions
If I wanted to read comments by Sounders fans...
I’d go to a Sounders blog. Just sayin.
www.fromthenosebleeds.com
by david1978pdx on Dec 31, 2010 9:22 PM PST up reply actions
We're a network here
This is one of the things that makes us a great network is that we can get fan perspectives from all sorts of different teams, Seattle included. Just as I’ll defend their right to post constructively here, I’ll defend your rights to do the same there.
RCTID - Stumptown Footy
Moderator of /r/MLS
by Geoff Gibson on Jan 1, 2011 10:08 AM PST up reply actions
And I will reserve the right
to qualify some of those “fans from different teams” as liars and prevaricators if they have the history proving them as such. If you want to run a series on “Teaching Timbers”, you should probably make yourself aware of our actual history and who our antagonists are.
by Daaaaave on Jan 1, 2011 11:44 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I've emailed you...
So that we can discuss this issue more privately. I hope you’ll respond and that we can work out any differences we may have.
RCTID - Stumptown Footy
Moderator of /r/MLS
Why S**ttle won and no other MLS club cared:
Backup keeper in goal for Columbus in the US Open Cup Final. Match Roster
Andy Gruenebuam. No games played in 2010 regular season, 2 in playoffs.
http://www.mlssoccer.com/player/andy-gruenebaum
Jag kom, jag såg, erövrade jag.
Further pertinent facts "hidden" in the prose
Try reading that article you linked to on Wikipedia. If you do you’ll find this:
Crew backup goalkeeper Andy Gruenebaum also started in place of normal starter Will Hesmer, though this was a normal change for U.S. Open Cup and CONCACAF Champions League matches.
Furthermore, a reference in the footnotes points to this article where the Crew head coach comments specifically on the decision to start Gruenebaum:
(On starting Andy Gruenebaum today…) “Whether it is the U.S. Open Cup or MLS match we feel confident in starting Andy [Gruenebaum]. He did well today.”
Gruenebaum was the normal starter for the Crew in this situation, he played well and was hardly the reason the Crew lost. I will be interested to see if Portland starts anyone other than their backup keeper for the USOC matches (or the play-in matches I explained above). Will Portland take is as seriously as Seattle does or will they try do defame it once they’re eliminated just like every other MLS club does?
by K61 on Jan 1, 2011 7:31 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Jesus Christ, people, don't be a dick to Dave Clark.
Just because he supports the rival team doesn’t mean he’s evil incarnate. If we want to be treated with respect on the other SBNation blogs, we can’t be trashing the author of another team’s blog.
Chickity-check yourself before you Rec yourself.
by thehemogoblin on Dec 31, 2010 10:22 PM PST reply actions 5 recs
Word
It’s poor form to alienate the writers on another blog… just look at the hatred that the author of Bright Side of the Sun (a Phoenix Suns blog on SBN) has towards Blazersedge. Not a good situation, and frankly I wish I knew how it started, but this being a new site how’s about we keep it civil to all teams.
…..except Seattle.
Blazers win!
Hate the players, not the writers.
Chickity-check yourself before you Rec yourself.
by thehemogoblin on Jan 1, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
And if I
want to play holier-than-thou on a sports blog with no knowledge of history or a writer’s intent to deceive, I’ll head over to BlazersEdge and give everyone a stern talking to about how mean they are to John Canzano. I’m sure that’ll go over a treat, right? After all, what has Canzano ever done to them?
Seriously, I appreciate that people are interested in the Timbers and more than most anyone you’ll see posting here I am honestly and profoundly invested in growing the Timbers fan base and creating a new wave of supporters. But interest does not replace knowledge of the history of the parties involved. Ask why Liverpool supporters don’t read The Sun. Or why sports blogger love to antagonize Buzz Bissinger. Don’t fool yourself into thinking everything is on the up and up at face value because there are usually lessons to be learned if you poke below the surface.
by Daaaaave on Jan 1, 2011 11:42 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
On your site you can make your own rules about who can post and who cannot
But on this site, unless your name is Geoff Gibson, you are a guest. Please remember that and act accordingly.
by pdb on Jan 2, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Again... If you only knew...
www.fromthenosebleeds.com
You don't know the whole story
and until you do, dont go there. Please.
www.fromthenosebleeds.com
I'm sure we can all agree or find that we agree that a great many of the tournaments we compete in need quite a bit of work.
Right now qualifying for, and competition structure of the Open Cup, CCL (the qualifying), MLS Cup, and Superliga is a mess. It may make them look like a joke now, but when they are sorted out teams who didn’t take these competitions seriously will want to demonize the teams who won them with asterisk on Wikipedia, while secretly wishing they had more titles.
by Kix on Jan 1, 2011 1:21 PM PST reply actions 1 recs

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