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Flounders Get Spanked, Throw Tantrum in Salt Lake

Kind of an obvious caption, really; I won't even bother going there.

Álvaro Saborío scored two for Real Salt Lake, and the Seattle Sounders reacted with frustration to their 3-0 loss in the first leg of the Western Conference Semifinals. RSL dominated from the early minutes, pounding eleven shots at Seattle's keeper -- he saved eight of them -- while holding the Flounders to exactly zero shots on target for the duration of the match. Fun game.

First Half

The first fifteen minutes of the match were a back and forth that took place mostly around the center of the pitch. From then on it was all RSL. Will Johnson had RSL's first real chance in the 20th minute. Another chance came in the 24th. Aside from the rust still evident on Beckerman after missing the last few matches of the season, the only thing missing for Salt Lake was the final touch.

Star-divide

The Flounders' defense was doing well to intercept RSL's forward movement, up until the 41st minute. On a run down the left flank, Fabian Espindola passed the ball forward to Chris Wingert, who was making an overlapping run. Wingert played the ball on the ground to Alvaro Saborio, waiting in front of goal. The Flounders whinged about offsides, but they got beat, plain and simple.

The half ended with a chance for Seattle, Leonardo Gonzalez losing Robbie Russell on the left side and crossing in to Alvaro Fernandez, but Fernandez couldn't get his head onto it. Aside from that half chance, Seattle had very little to be happy about in the first half.

Second Half

Real Salt Lake came out of the locker room with confidence, controlling the game and pressuring from the opening whistle. Javier Morales should have had RSL's second in the 47th minute on a rebound off Kasey Keller, kept out only by Keller's chrome dome. The second goal did come in the 53rd minute, when Morales played a cross into Saborio, who flicked the ball in off his back heel, completing his brace.

The two goal deficit was too much for Osvaldo Alonso, who should have been sent off after shoving an opponent miles away from the ball; the lenient referee, Mark Geiger, let him off with just a caution.

Real Salt Lake did an excellent job slowing down the game after the second goal, further frustrating the Flounders, who managed one more chance on a Fernandez cross that nearly fell in. In spite of the slower pace, Saborio had two chances at a hat trick in the 70th and 71st minutes. Seattle responded by subbing in Roger Levesque, but the personnel change somehow failed to inject any more potency into the Sounders' attack.

Salt Lake continued their relentless assault, and in the 87th minute Espindola broke down the left flank, but his shot was parried away by Keller. After the resulting corner kick, Ned Grabavoy found a loose ball and shot from a tight angle, and it glanced in for Salt Lake's third goal. A few minutes later it was Fredy Montero who couldn't deal with losing, tripping Nick Rimando as he carried the ball from the touchline. It was the only time in the match Rimando was troubled at all by a Sounders attacker.

With a three goal deficit in the bipedal contest, Seattle will have quite the mountain to climb on Wednesday. RSL will have the luxury of being able to sit back and let Seattle flounder about for three goals at home. Should be another fun game to watch!

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I don’t even care that I’m supposed to be rooting against RSL, that was freakin’ hilarious.

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by UZ on Oct 29, 2011 11:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Yeah it was.

Also, go Bills.

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by William Conwell on Oct 30, 2011 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

montero

been sayin it for years… pure class

Don't pee on that

by ShiverMeTimbers on Oct 29, 2011 11:28 PM PDT reply actions  

on...

…and off the pitch

Don't pee on that

by ShiverMeTimbers on Oct 29, 2011 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Keller certainly doesn't look done

and I mean that seriously. It could have been much worse.

Freddy was silent tonight. I think he’s got a sort of Samson thing going where he plays well when he has douchey hair. Maybe he can grow back the mini-rat-tail by Wednesday, or at least get crazy with some steps.

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by almost awesome on Oct 29, 2011 11:57 PM PDT reply actions  

True indeed

Sigi said it right — Seattle deserved to lose 6-0, and Keller was pretty much solely responsible for holding RSL to 3. My guess is that it takes more time for him to recover from a match like that than it did when he was younger, and that’s the main reason for his plans to retire.

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by Andrew Wheeler on Oct 30, 2011 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

To be fair

I always think the same thing while checking out Sounder At Heart.

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by William Conwell on Oct 30, 2011 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Three points

1. This is not so much an article about Seattle as it is an article about the playoffs. That it happened to be about Seattle getting beaten was a happy coincidence.

2. Yeah, there aren’t many articles purely about the Timbers on SaH, but I can’t remember one article that was only about the Sounders here (you can probably find one, but I am not invested enough to try).

3. Thanks.

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by William Conwell on Oct 30, 2011 4:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, there was one...

The Stumptown Footy Guide to Not Hating the Sounders Today

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by Andrew Wheeler on Oct 30, 2011 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's new?

Another playoff summary. This one seems to favor one over the other.

I must correct one thing, Rimando was saved by the woodwork somewhere in the 75th minute by some cross that almost became a goal. He was troubled there.

But the moment of the night was late in the game Seattle’s own teammates block a shot headed for goal from 12 out.

Jag kom, jag såg, erövrade jag.

by Kejsare on Oct 30, 2011 1:45 AM PDT reply actions  

Good point, Kejsare

I added a note in about that near miss; usually I use “troubled” as a synonym for “forced to make a save” which Rimando did not have to do.

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by Andrew Wheeler on Oct 30, 2011 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

Watching ugly soccer is never fun

and Seattle was the poster child of ugly last night.
As much as I prefer that Seattle not be too successful, I would prefer that they not be absolutely ghastly. This was not a good advertisement for the game, or for Cascadia.

by zippyflynn on Oct 30, 2011 9:34 AM PDT reply actions   1 recs

Definately not Seattle's best game

Also, credit where it’s due, RSL looked every inch the championship caliber team that they are.

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by Dizzo on Oct 31, 2011 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

The difference is

Portland players didn’t stoop to unsportsmanlike behavior on the field during the derby, and besides that, they played a better match overall. They at least managed to get some shots on the frame. But I’ll happily remove “geriatric” if you think I went too far with that.

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by Andrew Wheeler on Oct 30, 2011 11:20 AM PDT up reply actions  

your right..

Portland players do have class. But they would have been served better to knock someone on there ass at least once.
See Houston match…

by portlandpadre on Oct 30, 2011 2:07 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Definately remove the geriatric

It would be different if he had a bad game. He most certainly didn’t. He looked as good as he did back in his EPL days. Unfortunately, the Sounders midfield did not…

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by Dizzo on Oct 31, 2011 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions  

But, if you look at DC

They also had a geriatric keeper who returned from retirement to held out. Pat Onstad.

I mean, c’mon! 40 is old in MLS!

But if it offends, well….

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by Kejsare on Oct 31, 2011 4:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Maybe... maybe not, but if I'm not mstaken their away supporters were singing

“Whoa, whoa, whoa-o, f$ck you Rose City.” when visting here and some of their supporters trolled Twitter and other blogs when Timbers were eliminated from post-season contention. He is a editor here but he is also rctid.

They would be far worse on their blogs and would troll like no other if we lost our opening playoff match 3-0. Nobody should troll, but we have every right to have fun with it here.

When I'm bored I read your self-love on Twitter. I love the First World.

by yepyou'reright on Oct 30, 2011 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

You can say and believe what you want, but if we don't want people coming over here and trolling the hell out of us when we lose, then we need to respect them.

This person is actively setting back the two websites’ users from being able to coexist through no fault of their own. This is seen as a representation of the site as a whole — individual members shouldn’t be having to complain about it being too irrationally inflammatory to the other team’s fans … after all, it’s the fans’ job to be hating their rivals.

by thehemogoblin on Oct 30, 2011 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

Other than the comment on Keller's age

I don’t see what the big deal is. I disagree with your assesment that this sets the sites back and that it’s inflammatory… well, maybe it is for this site… but compared to other sites or even FB it’s nothing. Not saying we should go that low but imo we shouldn’t let fans of other teams or fear of what they might think be an editor here. I respect your view though.

When I'm bored I read your self-love on Twitter. I love the First World.

by yepyou'reright on Oct 30, 2011 1:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Be a bigger person

it’s not that hard.

by pdb on Oct 30, 2011 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

no other playoff game

Had been recaped until this one.

What if they won or drew RSL?

Yah I’m above this.clearly many our because I see the same 10 commentors on here all the time

by portlandpadre on Oct 30, 2011 2:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Many are. Danm phone keyboard

by portlandpadre on Oct 30, 2011 2:13 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Just to point something out

I am not the main editor and so the final decision on what Andrew wrote needs to be taken up with Geoff.

Also we have recapped all the play off games here, and here plus the RSL vs Seattle game.

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by Ryan Gates on Oct 30, 2011 2:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

your right

The mobile version hid the other playoff recaps from the first page.

OK lets all agree we want in the playoffs next year. And move on.

Sorry I’m a fan, I’m looking for a different perspective than my own .

I can troll hash tags on twitter for shit talking

by portlandpadre on Oct 30, 2011 2:40 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I like interacting here too

I disdain Bigsoccer/SCUSA and even Oregon Live because of the Douche Bagery that goes on. (I love the English Language and the ability to make up words)

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by Ryan Gates on Oct 30, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

The better standards here is why there are a relative few regulars

But it’s also why I like it and it’s the only place I comment, with the exception being my recent expedition into Twitter (one robot follower and counting!).

When I'm bored I read your self-love on Twitter. I love the First World.

by yepyou'reright on Oct 30, 2011 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think as this fact becomes known

You will see the regulars become more numerous (kind of like Blazers Edge).

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by Ryan Gates on Oct 30, 2011 4:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

The internet is full of dumbass Timbers and Sounders fan

Just read the comments under any mlssoccer.com article about anything involving either team or not.

Generally the discussion around here has been pretty good and above all that drivel, and I would say the same about Sounderatheart. We should have fun with it, I agree, but we have to find the right tone, and that can be challenging. I like the crossover between the blogs—though I did make an ass of myself after our loss at JW.

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by almost awesome on Oct 30, 2011 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't think this post was really too bad.

Just the headline and another two or three lines seemed questionable to me.

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by almost awesome on Oct 30, 2011 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions  

MLSsoccer.com threads debunk the idea

that anonymous posts cause bad Internet behavior.

When I'm bored I read your self-love on Twitter. I love the First World.

by yepyou'reright on Oct 30, 2011 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Internet=Anonymous

At least that is what people think…..

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by Ryan Gates on Oct 30, 2011 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

I agree

which is why this is really the only timbers site I have ever bothered reading (I am a Sounders fan).

The game was hard to watch and really most everything in the article above is true. Sounders sucked, showed little class (although I would say it was Alonso that was classless not Montero) so really there is not even much crap I could throw back if I wanted to at this article, but I do have to say it is beyond a simple recap. At least that is the way it feels when you see the headline.

As long as these are rare, I will still feel like coming here and reading occasionally. If they become frequent, I have a feeling the crowd hanging out here will change and I will not bother coming back.

by lysander on Oct 30, 2011 8:24 PM PDT up reply actions  

They will be rare

I know there is going to be some articles that both sites work on together, at least we tried to have some of those going up. We actually have a great relationship with the Sounder at Heart guys.

We just like to beat them :)

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by Ryan Gates on Oct 30, 2011 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Indeed

And if the NY-LA game had happened before the Sounders game, there’s no way I would have referred to Alonso’s antics as a tantrum. That — what NY was doing after the final whistle — that was a tantrum.

Lesson learned: as low as the MLS can go, you can always count on Rafa Marquez to drag it just a little bit lower.

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by Andrew Wheeler on Oct 30, 2011 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Regardless of NY

Alonso was threw a quick tantrum. It was uncalled for. Hate seeing it cause he is one of my favorite players.

by lysander on Oct 31, 2011 6:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

Marquez took it to a new dimension

Unbelievable. What an embarrassment to the team.

by chrisperry1983 on Oct 31, 2011 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't really think it was that bad

I don’t like the headline. And the Keller criticism just doesn’t make sense to me. Other than that, I don’t see an awful lot to be up in arms about. Criticism for their own team and Alonso/Montero is at least as bad on our sister site. I think the Rimando/Montero line was great.

Had this been a piece about NY and you taken a bunch of jabs at Marquez and Rogers I don’t think anyone would have been offended. I hope we can get some nice conversation with our friends at SaH going from time to time, but I don’t think we have to walk on eggshells when discussing them to promote that kind of a relationship. However, I really enjoy participating around here, and if the numbers here decide we need to dial it back, I’m still on board.

volatilelyle.com

by almost awesome on Oct 30, 2011 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll take that

I think my biggest failure was that my post did not foster a conversation about the events of the game (not that there was really much to say). But that’s what we should have been talking about, and we didn’t, so I take that as a personal failure.

On the headline. My friends and I came up with that on the car ride home from 4-4-2, which was inexplicably overrun by Sounders fans last night, a couple of whom were showing a distinct lack of class when Nat Borchers left the field with an injury, so we were kinda riled up from that experience. I could have dialed that back before I published.

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by Andrew Wheeler on Oct 30, 2011 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I totally understand that

When I was trying to find the headline for the home loss to the Sounders I was so emotionally riled up by some of the visiting supporters and their comments it was hard not to write something about them.

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by Ryan Gates on Oct 30, 2011 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hate seeing injured players

regardless of teams. I was kinda annoyed with RSL fans last night booing fernandez but I will have to assume they did not get a good replay of the play that nearly sent him off injured.

Tangent…

I was pretty pissed last year at the apple cup seeing Cougar fans throw snowballs at an injured husky being stretchered off the field. Thankfully that is an exception, normally cougar fans are all pretty fun to be around.

by lysander on Oct 30, 2011 8:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are Bad Apples

in every bunch. Hard sometimes not to let the emotions take over, especially when posting something on the internet. :)

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by Ryan Gates on Oct 30, 2011 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also I imagine you're the kind of guy who can take a ribbing as well

I usually am, and enjoy a little of that back and forth. However, I wasn’t myself after the loss to Seattle.

volatilelyle.com

by almost awesome on Oct 30, 2011 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

I may be biased,

but I Keller does seem like a guy hard to hate from any teams perspective. 40+ years old and saves like last night or the final home game against SJ?

He is not just a living legend but a still playing legend!

Add to that his college days in Portland and frankly I am surprised he does not get a obligatory applause before a game in portland. Not that I would expect it in game, but before seems like the respect he deserves.

Kinda like Clyde would get an applause if he came to town as the Lakers head coach, right?\

by lysander on Oct 30, 2011 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I really can't explain it

But ever since he joined the Sounders upon their ascendency to MLS, he’s always sort of been the poster boy for Seattle having a team and Portland not having a team, and since then that ire has stuck. It’s true, if you stop and think about it, giving up his career in Europe to play for his hometown team was really cool, and there’s no doubt that he’s a great player.

Although it’s also possible that a certain mullet was the culprit.

When I write, I write for the Timbers. Contributing Editor of Stumptown Footy

by Andrew Wheeler on Oct 30, 2011 9:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think ANYONE affiliated with the Blazers would get applause (from the Blazers fans)

…when the L*kers come to Portland. Not even Clyde.

The only people that cheer for LA when they come to Portland are the L*ker fans that moved up here for better schools.

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Oct 30, 2011 11:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

psh

people cheered for Steve F***ing Blake when he came back as a Laker.

by ZenGarden on Oct 31, 2011 8:19 AM PDT up reply actions  

Via the Clippers.

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by Kejsare on Oct 31, 2011 10:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

LOL

but then who is the New England Revolution of the NBA?

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by Ryan Gates on Oct 31, 2011 11:43 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't really follow the NBA, but

is there a team that has to play on a hockey rink?

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by Andrew Wheeler on Oct 31, 2011 11:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

Maybe the Minnesota Timberwolves

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by Ryan Gates on Oct 31, 2011 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

They'd probably do just as well on ice

I was thinking the Hartford Whalers could have been considered the Revs of the NHL.

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by Andrew Wheeler on Oct 31, 2011 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think there were

some fans at the Whaler games though!

by lysander on Oct 31, 2011 12:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

We were cheering because Nate can't play him way too many minutes

off the Laker bench.

But I’d totally cheer Clyde if he returned under any circumstances.

volatilelyle.com

by almost awesome on Oct 31, 2011 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think I could get over the fact he's on that half of the sideline...

I’d struggle with it mightily for Clyde, but for anyone else forget it. Boo all day and night.

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Oct 31, 2011 11:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Odds for a comeback?

I am pretty pessimistic about the Sounders making a comeback. They have had a few 3-0 games in their past but they seem to be cursed when it comes to MLS playoffs so I am not counting on much. I give them 5% chance of pulling things off. Mauro will be a huge help if he is healthy.

by lysander on Oct 30, 2011 8:33 PM PDT reply actions  

I was looking at Seattle's playoff record

0-7-1 I believe(maybe lower I am not sure on that)…. If I were a fan I would be worried about the 0 in the very front. Scoring 4 goals against RSL is going to be tough and especially when they will just sit back and counter every attack as Seattle gets numbers forward. Honestly I would say 1% but 5% is good too.

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by Ryan Gates on Oct 30, 2011 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

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