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NTR: Jose Mourinho, aka "The Special One," Would Struggle in MLS

MADRID, SPAIN - MAY 22:  Head coach Jose Mourinho of Inter Milan celebrates his team's victory at the end of the UEFA Champions League Final match between FC Bayern Muenchen and Inter Milan at the Estadio Santiago Bernabeu on May 22, 2010 in Madrid, Spain.  (Photo by Shaun Botterill/Getty Images)

Mourinho, the "best coach in the world," has now officially gone on record as saying he would like to, one day 10-15 years from now, coach an MLS team and live in the United States. Can't say I'm surprised to be honest. While our league certainly isn't up to the standards of top European leagues, the United States still represents a certain quality of living that few other nations can truly match, especially if you're well-off. If you have money and live in New York or Los Angeles (primarily) then opulence reigns. So it comes as no surprise to me that he wants to "one day" coach in MLS, nor am I ever surprised when "such and such" amazing player says the same.

For those of you who don't know who Jose Mourinho is, he is the former Chelsea and Inter Milan coach and current Real Madrid coach, an impressive resume. What's more is that at his past two positions he coached both teams to success on the field winning trophies left and right, or so it seemed. Because of this he is regarded to be one of the best coaches in the world, if not the best.

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So when I say that Jose Mourinho would struggle in MLS I don't say that flippantly with no weight behind it. I mean, let's look at what has made him such a great coach in past:

For starters, each club he's coached plays in a non-restrictive environment. Basically, what I mean by this is, if you have the money -- and Chelsea, Inter Milan and Real Madrid certainly do -- then you can pretty much buy whoever you want to strengthen your team. Jose Mourinho certainly has an eye for great talent and slotting in players with others who work well together, no doubt about it. Were he to come over here, he would be met with a salary cap and a slew of other player rules that would severely limit his options.

But let's assume there was no salary cap, even if Jose could buy whoever he wanted, he would still struggle to attract many top prospects. I can't say for certain what MLS will be like in 10-15 years, but I can tell you that one of the primary reasons to play in the UEFA block is to participate in said tournaments. While we have the CCL, it's far and away the step child of the second-cousin twice removed part of FIFA tournament family. Bottom line, until the CCL is able to match the UEFA Champions League there will be less of an incentive to get quality players to America.

Finally, I don't believe I need to tell anybody here just how odd our league is compared to European leagues. While foreign coaches can be successful (Hans Backe is a great example of that) typically when new coaches come in from overseas, even "esteemed" ones such Ruud Gullitt, they find that our league's oddball methods to be too much to grasp when coming from such a free and open system as many European leagues.

Anyway, my point for writing this article was simply to quell any high hopes that Jose Mourinho would come into the league and just light the place on fire. I'm not saying he can't be successful at all, especially since I don't know what MLS will be like in 2025, I'm just saying, given our various curiosities he probably would not adapt very easily and would struggle because of it. Then again, if he's mastered  Europe, maybe he'll enjoy a fresh challenge.

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This is asinine, Geoff

If you were traffic baiting, bravo. If you’re serious…unreal.

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by Kevin McCauley on Feb 8, 2011 9:06 AM PST reply actions  

What makes it asinine?

If you an argument against it then lay it out.

There are serious challenges that Mourinho would have to face in MLS. It would absolutely not be a cake walk for him.

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by Geoff Gibson on Feb 8, 2011 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

He won a European cup with Porto

Which totally screws your argument that he’s only good when he has a ton of money. Additionally, he guided U.D. Leiria to their best league finish ever, in addition to winning the domestic cup in Portugal. Not long after he left, they were relegated. He beat Barcelona with Inter over two legs, and in one of those two legs he played most of the game with 10 men. It is universally accepted that he did not have the more talented side in that game. It is debatable whether or not the Chelsea team he defeated in the round of 16 was of Superior talent. He did not spend bucketloads of money with Inter Milan. Compared to his competition, he was very frugal. His teams do not play a style like Barcelona or Arsenal that only work with absurdly technically talented footballers; FC Dallas are actually fairly similar. Jose Mourinho would be the best manager in MLS tomorrow. If he was hired by a team who was willing to pay a scout or two to find affordable South and Central American players that could fit his system, his team would be dominant. Even with a junk team, he’d do fine. He’s shown that he can adapt his style to the talent available to him and that he is not married to one system or type of player. I think that all of your arguments are totally unfounded and have zero basis in reality.

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by Kevin McCauley on Feb 8, 2011 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

You're joking right?

There’s actually proof positive that foreign coaches in MLS struggle for the very reasons I point out. Your entire argument is based on: “well he’s done it here so he could definitely do it there.” He may not have had unlimited money in Portugal, but their system is still far more flexible and independent than MLS.

I thought you might have had a serious argument…

Besides, you neglected to read my entire final paragraph where I explicitly state that I don’t necessarily believe he won’t be successful, just that he will initially struggle with our system.

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by Geoff Gibson on Feb 8, 2011 9:25 AM PST up reply actions  

If you're going to pull that card, he's unprecedented.

But based on all of the precedents we do have (he’s European, he’s never competed with a capped budget, it would be at the end of his career, there’s less prestige in the mls to attract players with), the signs point to an initial struggle.

It’s not as if Geoff is standing here trashing mourinho’s ability to coach a team. He’s just saying the American league has a unique style that requires an adjustment period.

Wherever you are, here you go.

by thehemogoblin on Feb 8, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Dude

So what is Porto’s salary cap?

by pecorasc on Feb 8, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Their budget was a fraction of a lot of the teams they defeated that year

Just because there isn’t an all-powerful body telling Porto “You can only spend x” doesn’t mean they didn’t have SERIOUS restrictions compared to teams like Real Madrid and Manchester United (who they faced). Winning the Champions League with Porto (smaller budget than your competition) is much harder and much more “restrictive” than winning MLS with a team willing to pay for 2 DPs.

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by Kevin McCauley on Feb 8, 2011 9:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Is it?

That’s an interesting proposition that I wish would have further investigation.

Is it really easier to win in a league of “parity” where you have a salary cap but less talent overall? Or is it easier to win in a league with no cap, more talent, but less money to spend (and thus less talent) relative to other clubs?

I actually don’t know, and I don’t think there’s an inherent answer.

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by BruinHalo on Feb 8, 2011 9:43 AM PST up reply actions  

Porto wins every third championship in that country. And I bet if I checkout out their champions league schedule from that year, there would only be a couple, not a lot, of teams with higher budgets. Real Madrid and Man U.

by pecorasc on Feb 8, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

And like Geoff, I’m not claiming that Mourinho wouldn’t be a good manager here. I’m just trying to point out that your conclusion is as baseless as you are claiming Geoff’s to be. Its all speculation and in good fun, no need to bring anyone down.

by pecorasc on Feb 8, 2011 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

he won the Champions League with Porto once.

Winning the CL is definitely an achievement, don’t get me wrong, but he only did it once. I’m not willing to concede that Mourinho is a genius at managing under a salary cap when he’s only done it once.

Mourinho would chafe under the constraints of MLS, just as would any other top-tier manager.

by pdb on Feb 8, 2011 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

They made the quarter finals a few of times just in the last ten years. After the quarter finals during the year they won, they beat Coruna and Monaco. It is a huge achievement to win it all, but it could definitely happen again.

by pecorasc on Feb 8, 2011 12:18 PM PST up reply actions  

If you can tell me a single thing about the Monaco or Depor teams from that year

Without just doing copa-pasta from Wikipedia, I’ll concede that you have a valid point. But if you’re just going to pull stuff out of your ass…

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by Kevin McCauley on Feb 8, 2011 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I can tell you that their payrolls are much closer to Porto than to Real Madrid or Man United (probably most people on here can tell you that). That was my point (and also that Porto winning the UCL again is quite possible).
 
Accusing me of taking information from wikipedia doesn’t make my argument any less valid. Did you know off the top of your head who they beat in the finals in 2004? You really come across as kind of a jerk. Normally I never see that from people who contribute to SB Nation.

by pecorasc on Feb 8, 2011 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't be a jerk

We get that you disagree. No need to be an ass about it.

by pdb on Feb 8, 2011 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I should have added...

You obviously know a lot about soccer and I’m sure you have a ton of great information to contribute to our conversations. So, I do hope you come back often.

by pecorasc on Feb 8, 2011 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I was being genuine; I hope that didn’t come across as sarcastic.

by pecorasc on Feb 8, 2011 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

but he only did it once

Sorry, have to correct you there. Mourinho has won the CL twice. Last season, he guided Inter to their first CL trophy in almost 40 years, as well the very first Treble for an Italian club. In all, he’s won the Portuguese League twice, the English Premier League twice, the Italian Serie A twice, the Champions League twice, and the treble twice.

by Kv11 on Feb 22, 2011 6:30 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't believe it is, though

the level of talent at Porto exceeds the average MLS squad. Even with two DP’s in a squad, if you put a Mourinho-coached MLS team up against Porto right now, Porto would win 9 times out of 10.

The level of talent in MLS is such that Mourinho would have to do a lot more coaching and a lot less training – and while I am not saying he couldn’t do it, I am agreeing with everyone else here that it would be a long adjustment period for a coach who is used to pointing world-class players towards a net, handing them a ball, and saying “put this in there”.

Yes, that’s an oversimplification, but still.

by pdb on Feb 8, 2011 9:51 AM PST up reply actions  

he is used to pointing world-class players towards a net, handing them a ball, and saying "put this in there".

Are we forgetting that his world-class players also play against other world-class players? The ball is not going to find the back of the net just like that snap finger. It’s generally viewed that his Inter were not overflowing with the type of talent that Barcelona and many other top 3 teams had, but still managed to kick Barca ass and went on to win the CL. It’s not just the talent that matters, it’s what a coach can do with it. Nobody would bet a dollar on Porto beating Manchester Utd but they did.

by Kv11 on Feb 22, 2011 8:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Who did what with Beckham and the Galaxy?

Were they not terrible? Ruud Gullit didn’t have the magic touch. Same would seemingly apply to Mourinho.

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by Kejsare on Feb 8, 2011 9:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Ruud Guillit has been canned by every team he has ever coached

But he’s comparable to Mourinho because he’s foreign?

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by Kevin McCauley on Feb 8, 2011 9:28 AM PST up reply actions  

The point...

… is that coaches struggle in MLS. Just because Mourinho is gifted tactically doesn’t mean he will be able to skate all the extraneous rules and regulations that MLS throws in every MLS coach’s way.

You make Mourinho out to be some god who will just saunter into MLS, with a beam of shining light behind him, and thusly defeat every team scoring 100000 goals and win every single game.

I’m saying, no, he won’t, MLS is a parity league and he’ll have trouble adapting that. Is that really so unbelievable? Has Mourinho whipped people up into such a hype that they believe he is completely infallible in soccer? Then again I guess there’s a reason why people call him “The Special One.”

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by Geoff Gibson on Feb 8, 2011 9:31 AM PST up reply actions  

And again!

I just want to point out that I am in no way saying he won’t be a success here… I can’t stress that enough.

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by Geoff Gibson on Feb 8, 2011 9:33 AM PST up reply actions  

Ruud Guillit didn't just struggle in MLS

Every team he has ever managed has sacked him in less than 2 seasons. He has never been a successful coach anywhere, so the fact that he failed in MLS should not be taken as proof that a good foreign coach would fail in MLS.

by trk on Feb 8, 2011 9:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Your question above:

Conversely, please list someone with Mourinho’s pedigree that would take a job in MLS.

I thought they brought Gullit in to turn the Galaxy into a superclub. But it took a veteran MLS coach to do it instead.

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by Kejsare on Feb 8, 2011 9:32 AM PST up reply actions  

The lack of an unlimited budget would seriously hinder him.

It’s not as if he’s going to have an in-his-prime Cristiano Ronaldo or Didier Drogba at his disposal.

That being said, The Special One is good enough tactically that I don’t think it would be a problem. Still, the point remains that it would probably take an adjustment period for him to come to the league, both stylistically and monetarily.

Wherever you are, here you go.

by thehemogoblin on Feb 8, 2011 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

You know which European manager would make for a great mls coach?

Sam Allardyce. His “style” would work really well if he were to be handed a team with a solid defense and a target striker.

Wherever you are, here you go.

by thehemogoblin on Feb 8, 2011 9:08 AM PST reply actions  

Oh lordy no

Sam Allardyce would set MLS back about 50 years. He’s really quite awful.

by pdb on Feb 8, 2011 9:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Being the Special One

doesn’t give you any breaks in MLS. Could he wear that overcoat in Houston in July?

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by Kejsare on Feb 8, 2011 9:50 AM PST reply actions  

Barcelona beat Mourinho's Real Madrid 5-0 earlier this year w/C. Ronaldo in lineup

There’s only 2 league matches that matter for Real Madrid. Barcelona Home. Barcelona Away. For Real Madrid’s manager, if you do not beat Barcelona, you have failed.

http://www.skysports.com/football/match_report/0,19764,11065_3341066,00.html

by afs97209 on Feb 8, 2011 6:32 PM PST reply actions  

For Real Madrid's manager if you do not beat Barcelona, you have failed.

Well, last season his Inter team was played off the park with their tails between their legs by Barcelona in the group stage of the CL. They then met again in the semi-finals and Mourinho’s team crushed Barcelona 3-1 in the first leg. In the return leg in Barca, Mourinho’s team went down to 10 men but gave one of the most spectacular displays of defensive masterclass ever seen in recent times to knock out Barca to go on to the finals where they convincingly beat Bayern Munich 2-0. So, about the 5-0 trashing Real Madrid got afew months back, well, it ain’t over till it’s over. They’ll be meeting again 3 more times in the domestic championships. The season is only half way through.

by Kv11 on Feb 22, 2011 6:40 AM PST up reply actions  

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