Recap: The Rivalry continues, Timbers vs Sounders
by Ryan Gates on Jul 10, 2011 4:35 PM PDT
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Portland survives the first half and for the first time in a while does not allow an early goal. The second half brought the fireworks as all the goals were scored in this half.
First Half:
Portland tried a new line-up moving Jorge Perlaza up as a lone striker inserting a more defensive minded James Marcelin as a central mid. As soon as the game kicked off you could feel the energy in the stadium. Almost like a stream of electricity went from person to person.
On the pitch both teams came out looking almost anxious and too jacked-up. This led to some over hitting of the ball which sailed passes and crosses a like. This energy seemed to leave the Seattle Sounders faster than the Portland Timbers which lead to some half chances in the first 10 minutes of the game.
More after the Jump:
Portland's first chance of the half came from a free kick from Captain Jack Jewsbury in the 10th minute that Steve Purdy almost got to but put the ball back across the face of goal. With that Chance Portland seemed to settle down a little and played better possession and started to assert more of their will on the game. Especially with the more forward thinking Chara.
From the 15th minute on the game settled down after an almost frenetic pace to start. With Portland clogging the middle and Seattle putting a lot of numbers behind the ball the game almost has no offensive flow to either team and seems like it will come down to a counter or a set piece.
However Seattle when they did start to get a rhythm they looked dangerous. However Portland really did well containing them and forcing a lot of their play wide or into other defenders. Portland was 1 or 2 good passes away from a rally dangerous counter.
Portland avoided another first half goal in the 31st minute when a through ball found a wide open Roger Levesque behind the defense with no one around him, Luckily Troy Perkins came out and closed down the space and the subsequent cross and shot was blocked.
After the scare Portland was able to get 3 corners with only a half chance coming from Eric Brunner but his header found a Soounder head and went out for a corner. After the corners once again Levesque found space in front of the defense and hita great ball Osvaldo Alonso behind the defense for a 1 on 1 with Perkins. Perkins came up big with a huge save.
Half Time:
At the half MLS announced the All Stars and Captain Jack made the team! Congrats to him. See the other starters here.
Second Half:
No subs for either team to start the half. Portland got the first chance of the half with Alhassan streaking down the wing after a great pass from Marcelin. Alhassan went right around his defender and cut into the center. His cross was low and on the ground and hit the heel of Jeff Parke's heel and into the net. It was a great individual effort by Alhassan to get to the endline and cross the ball.
in the 53rd minute Diego Chara won the ball off his cousin Jhon Hurtado. The ball was swung wide to Rodney Wallace who put a perfect ball into the middle but Perlaza just couldn't get a toe on it. Hurtado actually was subbed after the foul. 2 minutes later Seattle won a free kick when Marcelin brought down Freddy Montero. Montero hit a perfect free kick into the corner of the goal to tie the game up at 1.
After the goal things started to get chippy. Lots of pushing and shoving. In between the hug fest Montero once again found himself behind the defense but Perkins again was equal to the task, coming up with another huge save. After the save things seemed to settle down and both teams had a series of almost chances.
Portland was on the defensive from the 65th minute until the 69th minute when the Colombian connection broke a counter and Perlaza found himself in the box and able to hit a great shot that deflected off of a Seattle player into the far post. It was a great effort by Chara to gather the clearance from the corner and dribble out of pressure to find Perlaza behind the defense.
After the goal again Portland was on the defensive and again it led to a goal by the Sounders. This time Purdy let a ball bouce and that bounce went over his head which allowed the ball to be played back into the box and the ball ended at Montero who then put in the easy ball.
Story of the day is give up red cards and PK's and apparently Eric Brunner felt that he needed to be apart of that story. A ball was played through behind the defense and Eric Brunner seemed to play the ball but took out the player at the same time. The ref saw it differently and called a PK and gave Brunner a red. Alonso stepped up and buried the PK.
After all the effort to go down like that from a another defensive lapse is just killer. Portland showed no quit and continued to try and get numbers forward to get the equalizer. This really opened Portland up and they almost gave up another goal in the 87th minute but again Perkins came up huge to deny a goal.
Even with the 4 minutes of added time Portland could not over come their mistakes and goes down 3-2.
Observations:
- This was by far the best game for Diego Chara in a Portland Timber kit
- Mamadou "Futty" Danso started well but seemed to fade throughout the game
- Purdy did played well going forward but that was all erased when he let the ball bounce in our defensive box.
- Great Atmosphere too bad most fans went home unhappy
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I was sitting in TA
My friend was quite unhappy with Kenny Cooper, and some other TA fans didn’t like it very much, but you know I agreed with him. Pretty frustrating to watch the guy when he comes in the game.
I had some minor drama pop up when a Sounders fan was sitting right behind us. In Section 106. Only started when the Sounders scored their first goal to equalize and he started talking about how great the goal was and how Seattle was going to win, etc… He should’ve kept his mouth shut is all I’m going to say. Started talking a bit much and we had to call security, who enforced the “No Sounders outside of their section” rule. Ridiculous game today.
Aside from that, on the field it was an entertaining game that we unfortunately came out on the wrong end of today. That’s a month and a half without a win. It’s starting to get really frustrating for everyone.
I didn't know such a rule existed
There was a group of 4 timbers at the game in Seattle that taunted fans the whole game and all they got was a talking to. And they were far from the away seating.
The ECS had been planning on instigating a fight or something from what I heard
The FO enacted a “if the Flounders fans leave the protection of the non-TA concourse they get an automatic ejection” rule, and frankly I’m glad they did.
Blazers win!
I doubt the Timbers fans were sitting in the ECS seats at Qwest
If they were, that is against agreed rules between the clubs FOs. Opposing fans can do what they will elsewhere in the stadium.
volatilelyle.com
by almost awesome on Jul 10, 2011 6:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Ah, I must have misunderstood
106 is the TA section? The guys in Seattle were just in 209, which is regular season ticket holders.
Where'd you hear that?
On TV it looked like there were a lot of sounders fans scattered throughout the crowd. Also I think the ECS said they would ban any member who got in a fight.
Yeah. Sounders fans can sit anywhere at JW except with Timbers Army
ECS is limited to their section at JW.
And the inverse is true in Seattle.
volatilelyle.com
by almost awesome on Jul 10, 2011 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions
There were some Flounders fans in the TA section
and they were removed. Saw it firsthand
Blazers win!
I was one of those people
I bought tickets on Craigslist, and the tickets I got put me right by that section. I spoke with security so I could be moved, but I was not trying to instigate anything.
Was first trip down there; still had a good time and met a lot of cool Timber fans
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 9:36 AM PDT up reply actions
To further the ridiculousness
A friend of ours was sitting behind these guys, and he’s been TA for like 8-9 years, something ridiculous like that and what had happened was he brought his coworker to the game, and apparently his coworker thought it was okay because he knew our friend to bring his Seattle fan friend to the game.
After they were escorted out of the area by security, our friend told us he apologized on their behalf and that he didn’t know the guy at all, and that I did the right thing. I’m really proud of the way TA polices itself, security as well as a girl who is TA acted very quickly and thoroughly before anything escalated. The guy started taking off his shirt and was acting like he was going to try to fight me right there, in section 106 of all places! Either he was incredibly stupid or had a deathwish or both (not to mention I’m a former boxer who probably outweighed this guy by a good 20 pounds or so, but that’s outside the point since I didn’t want things to get to that point anyways).
O. M. G. Really?
You outweighed him by 20 pounds and are a former boxer? Holy S! How did you not crush the fan of that other team? Wow!
Wait… What does this have to do with the game?
by silver00 on Jul 10, 2011 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed!
ECS and TA partnering to prevent anything like this is WELL documented.
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 10, 2011 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
No sounder fan was even allowed past110
I got to match at 1130 and personally saw some fans who were not TA but had tickets in the TA try to bring sounder friends with them.
They were not even let past 110. I sit in 111 and personally witnessed at least 4 people who were befuddled why they couldn’t walk over.
Anyone who remotely follows the Timbers and the TA via fb or twitter understood what the rules were. There were clearly folks who scalped there tickets.
by portlandpadre on Jul 10, 2011 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions
"The ECS had been planning on instigating a fight or something from what I heard"
I don’t believe it is a flat- out lie. But, I do believe it is flat-out untrue.
I was told this by some pretty high-up members of the TA...
Not in the arena, but outside. By ECS members not going to the match. Was warned to be on our guard.
I’m not making this up.
Blazers win!
At best, you are misunderstanding what you were told
So please, just stop spreading this garbage.
by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 11, 2011 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
“I was told by ECS members not going to the match” is akin to “My cousin’s sister’s best friend’s brother knows and told me so” as far as credibility goes – and I don’t mean that as a slight against ECS at all, but that it’s become a game of telephone at this point.
This was the ECS memo that had gone out prior
In the same fashion as the other Cascadia matches thus far, we do not want to tarnish this event with any sort of confrontation or violence. ECS leadership requires that its members refrain from interacting with Portland supporters in any manner. The ECS wants and expects no issues on match day. Any individual caught instigating altercations with Portland fans, supporters, or residents will be banned from the group permanently with all membership privileges revoked.
Sounds like an instigation to me
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 9:39 AM PDT up reply actions
To re-enforce this
It was read out over the intercom on the bus just prior to us disembarking. Nobody wins with violence. Everybody wants a spirited rivalry game where we are allowed to travel to eachothers stadiums and cheer.
It was a good showing on all sides to keep the passion directed at the field, I hope we don’t talk ourselves into “something bad happened”.
The probem is...
The organized group of ECS was never a problem, it’s the stragglers who buy tickets off of craigslist and stub hub that could get into conflicts. The same is true with scattered Timbers fans in Seattle.
I know the 500 ticket allotment is bull, but if you can’t get a ticket through the 107ist and you absolutely have to go to the game, go casual.
No offense
I know everyone who could even be remotely be considered “high up”. There is no problem with ECS, or any of the other supporters groups in seattle. If anything, there may have been a concern with someone unaffliated starting something (not really, but whatever, that conversation could have happened), but there is NO way “ECS was planning a fight”. Some of them might talk tough (just like we have people that do), but the leaders there want to expand away allocations just like we do, and fights outside stadiums are not the way to do.
The problem is not (and will not imo) ever be with organized supporters groups (for the most part). We’re more answerable to management, more easily identifiable, and more interested in promoting our team and the game, then getting drunk and starting fights (though that’s not to say supporters groups don’t drink ;)). The problem will always lie with “fans” like the dodgers “fans” who beat up that Giants fan in LA. Those guys probably couldn’t name half the roster of the dodgers, nor do they likely attend more than a handful of games, but because there is some booze, and an opportunity to “show off” stupid stuff happens.
by zaggy on Jul 11, 2011 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
The people that act like that
would most likely act like that even without a supporters group.
For lack of a better phrase, some people are just assholes.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions
Cooper provides nothing
No speed, no ball distribution, no quality chances in open play, no good shots on goal, no pressue on the defense, no goals scored in two months, not forcing any own goals… nada. Yeah, the service sometimes stinks but his zero production can only make him an expensive bust who is now an expensive bench player, who does nothing when in the game. Him and Goldthwaite should wear a ski mask each time the Timbers do payroll.
by yepyou'reright on Jul 10, 2011 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
he provides height which is a decent thing to have up front
but the rest of his game is kind of lost at this point.
Started as a form issue, and now it's both confidence and form
They feed off each other, and Cooper’s head is just wrong right now.
Is it related to his ability to drop to the carpet in a stiff breeze?
Sorry, told myself I’d stay out of your thread, but couldn’t resist at a Cooper mention. Never seen a big man so eager to go down.
Nos Audietis
Is it just me or is Wallace not very good?
I know Hall had some rough times but I feel like overall he would be better for us in there.
RCTID
by BlazerFan88 on Jul 10, 2011 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No, he's not
And I refuse to believe that Taylor is undeserving of a chance at LB. Wallace doesn’t have much more experience than Taylor, not really. And what experience Wallace does have has been poor, marked with bad habits that are not being coached out of him. That said, if Taylor really isn’t as good as Wallace and will never be used then why is he on the roster?
by yepyou'reright on Jul 10, 2011 5:38 PM PDT up reply actions
Wallace
DC fan here… We essentially traded Wallace for De Ro (Wallace-Dax-De Ro) So I’m pretty thrilled with how things turned out. Wallace does some nice things on the attack but he isn’t much of a defender really. Curious to see if he makes it in Portland.
Thanks, not gutted though
Just pissed. Getting tired of watching Timbers be so generous. No disrespect to anyone else (except Flounders), but Timbers are giving away points and goals way too easily.
Good win for DC yesterday. Here’s hoping you get a SSS soon.
by yepyou'reright on Jul 10, 2011 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions
You should be hoping YOU get a soccer SPECIFIC stadium
Last I checked, you share with a college football team…I guess you could cover it up by using the term “football specific stadium”.
You didn't check well enough.
Jeld Wen is soccer specific. PSU barely counts as a college football team, if you want to call it that.
According to Peregrine Sports...
The field’s primary use is soccer, and american football. Current tenants include MLS Portland Timbers and Portland State University Vikings Football.
You should let the operating company of the stadium know they’re wrong too then.
Wow, a NJ Energy Drink fan trolling?
I was too nice to a DC fan apparently. Here’s hoping Jersey can match Cascadia atmosphere when a real NY team is in the league.
by yepyou'reright on Jul 10, 2011 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions
He barely has any posts, leave it be.
You’re not wrong, but it isn’t worth the time.
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
Yeah, he's probably not even a real RB supporter anyway
by yepyou'reright on Jul 10, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Is anyone?
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
by No Pity on Jul 10, 2011 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
...says the supporter of the 2nd worst team in the West...
to the supporter of the #1 team in the East.
Congrats on the AWESOME ground breaking tifo display, the derby win, and finally putting an end to the losing skid…Welcome to the MLS, a league that mediocrity loses games, and fans. Enjoy the coming years.
You're back! Let me ask you...
Was Red Bull Arena built to only host 17 or so RB games a year? No other use at all?
by yepyou'reright on Jul 10, 2011 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions
I was hoping you'd ask, and not look into it yourself...
well, according to Red Bull GmbH, the owner / operator of the arena, it is a 25,000 seat soccer specific stadium with one tenant.
Do your season tickets also include college football tickets as well? Sure would be nice to see some winning on that field again, huh?
Seems like an awful waste of money then
Why would I look up such a trivial thing anyway? Who really cares? Go back to your mother’s basement.
by yepyou'reright on Jul 11, 2011 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions
As with all other trolls if you ignore them they will go away
Please start to ignore them.
by pdb on Jul 11, 2011 8:00 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trading Dax away for Wallace
Was a horrible move, but I’m happy we ended up with Perkins out of it all.
I don't know
Dax hasn’t exactly distinguished himself this season, for whatever reason.
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
I'm glad Spencer changed the starting lineup and it looked effective,
ESPN reported it was another 4-4-2 but it was clearly a 4-5-1 with Marcelin playing a stopper defensive mid role. I thought this was brilliant because it allowed the defense to pass out of the back rather than kick it as far as they could. The Tifo was fuckin’ sweet too, disappointing loss though… The timbers may not always be better than the flounders, but the Timbers Army will always be better than ecs.
Mike Rice: "Camby nearly rejected that with his Armpit!"
Mike Barrett: "Now that would be a fragrant foul."
by TheNoPoFuzz on Jul 10, 2011 4:59 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
ESPN reported it was another 4-4-2
I’m surprised they mentioned the formation at all, let alone acted like they knew what was going on. At least they pretended. Better than nothing. (Yes, incredibly obvious that it was a 4-5-1).
Ive given up on trusting ESPN for stuff like that
And honestly is it better? It might be misleading to new fans of the sport who turn on the game and assume what they are being told is correct.
The transfer window opens soon
If we don’t pull a quality defender or two through it I will be very disappointed. If we don’t try desperately to pull a quality defender through it, I will be disheartened.
If we could shore up the back, I think we could be a playoff team (though that is certainly slipping away).
Here’s to hoping this serves as rock bottom and a turning point.
volatilelyle.com
Unforgiveable loss
2 goals ought to be enough at home. The defending is awful, just awful. Is this bad coaching/game management or are the players just that incompetent? I know they’re an expansion team, but still…
That is 12 goals conceded in the last four games, three of those games at home. Timbers are a – 6 during that span I think, now a – 10 on the season… I’m starting to lose count. But GW’s comments during half-time of the CA friendly doesn’t give me confidence that good help is really on the way. Apparently he thinks things are okay, doesn’t want to “mess with chemistry”, and thinks some guys just need to “grow up”. Well, the way things are going that might be a few years.
Agreed RE: GW
I heard the Wilkinson interview as well, and it didn’t fill me with confidence that he is trying to address what is a very serious, keep us out of contention problem.
However, being a sports fan, I know that GMs aren’t always very forthright, so I’ll reserve judgement for now.
volatilelyle.com
by almost awesome on Jul 10, 2011 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm just so frustrated...
I don’t care that it happened to be Seattle this time, our defense has just outright sucked. If Perkins didn’t make a few great saves also, Seattle could have easily scored 6 goals.
RCTID
It's getting old talking about the poor defense, huh?
But it’s a cliche’ worth repeating until the boys start consistently playing better.
I have to disagree with Ryan here on the PK
It was impressive that Brunner got any ball at all, but that looks like a red and a PK to me.
volatilelyle.com
by almost awesome on Jul 10, 2011 6:35 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Hard to argue with the PK
but I don’t think it warranted a straight red. Either way, Brunner needs to show more composure and continue to defend until that ball drops to Neagle’s foot. Then he can go for a tackle or block a shot. Same issue as in the KC game — Brunner tried to cut out a ball to Sapong when he needed to just defend a player who was 30 yards out and had his back to goal.
Haven't seen the replay
Just from seeing it from the Press-box I thought the Red was harsh.
Contributing editor to Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
Cleat to the face is going to be red anywhere on the field
by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 10, 2011 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What I meant to say
My initial reaction was it seemed harsh but I am way up in the press box and don’t have the best angle but everyone including the Timbers coach says it was correct so I would say it was correct. If he did hit him in the face.
Contributing editor to Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
by Ryan Gates on Jul 10, 2011 8:06 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Totally fair
From TV it was tough to see too. I thought red because he clearly brought down a player breaking for goal. The cleat to the face was dangerous play, but actually well executed, all things considered. But from the replay, it was pretty clear why the ref didn’t hesitate. Tough luck, but it seemed fair from my perspective, I’d be curious to know what you think when you get a chance to see the play.
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
by No Pity on Jul 10, 2011 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
Definitely not malicious, and technically a good play by Brunner in that he got the ball – but doesn’t matter in the laws of the game. Worthy red and PK.
Unfortunate for Brunner as he was just doing what a defender is supposed to do: clear the ball
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 9:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Just what they are supposed to do
is clear it before the guy gets past him. After they are past them there is not really any good choices left to them.
That said he would have been better off both in terms of risk of injury to players and helping the Timbers win, if he had not fouled Neagle. It seems to me that the Sounders miss far more of those break away type plays than they do PKs.
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
You're right, they do
…and that says a bit considering they’re 50% all-time in PK’s too :facepalm:
It’s a 50/50 decision for the defender to make. He doesn’t have the benefit of doing a risk analysis of weighing the odds of letting Neagle get a shot off versus leaving the Sounders to their own devices at a PK – he has to take action immediately.
If I were Brunner I probably would have done the same thing; in fairness, Seattle missed a PK just last week.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions
I think it's less what happened
As what could have happened. Studs up is a card, even if no one actually gets hurt. Similarly, change a few inches and the Timbers player kicks the Sounders player in the face, a very dangerous play. It’s too likely that a play like that results in an injury no matter how skilled the other player is, so it’s off-limits to even try.
It's not just studs up in this case
it was studs to the head. High kicks like that are always red cards, and rightfully so.
I think the dangerous play doesn't get called enough
If the attacker doesn’t actually get taken down.
I think the refs need to protect the players a bit more
When you’re losing Morales’, Ferreira, Zakuani, etc – some of the better playmakers that are more exciting to watch – you hurt the sport.
I’d rather the MLS turn into more of a finesse & skill league rather than a hack-fest. I don’t like seeing skilled players come here only to be hacked down, no matter what team they play for.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
The red has nothing to do with cleat the face...
…and has everything to do with denying a clear goal-scoring opportunity. When that occurs, any foul is a red, particularly if the defender is the “last defender.”
Tough Call
When watching it live (after 6 drinks or so), I said, “Tough call. Ref’s out of position, and the defender played the ball first. So probably not a PK or a Red.” Then I saw the still photo on MLSsoccer.com where you see his boot coming down on top of Neagle’s shoulder and then he drops his leg, and it’s hard not to imagine that’s a foul. And if it’s a foul by the last defender, then…
Unfortunately I have to agree
He stopped a sure goal and put his cleat face level with a defender, before tripping him up. Straight red did seem harsh, but if you don’t call it, you have a credibility problem. You can’t let players foul to get out of giving up a sure goal. Look at the Uruguay fiasco last year. Uruguay makes that trade every time, and that was after the Red. I don’t like it, but I get the need for deterrence.
Besides, to be honest, Brunner should have pressured, but let him shoot. Seattle had been blowing chances from that spot all day, and Perkins was having a good game, he even nearly stopped the penalty. I don’t blame him, but I do get the red.
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
I actually had the same thought
Why not give a little bump or let the ball come lower as he was slowing up and this would have allowed Brunner to get closer to his side and not from behind.
Contributing editor to Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
Well...
Because the ball wasn’t going any lower. Check the replay, Neagle was about to chest the ball clear to goal before Brunner put his foot up there to stop it.
I think since Brunner played the ball first he’d have been okay if either:
1. The ball didn’t hit Neagle’s face so the ref didn’t see it clear out, or..
2. He didn’t take Neagle out after the fact.
What would ECS have done?
????
Contributing editor to Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
with a guy that goes down and immediately waives at this own bench for a sub?
not boo, i don’t think. either way—ECS does some dumb stuff, does that mean TA should, too?
Nope
But it does mean TA do dumb stuff sometimes too.
Contributing editor to Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
I didn't see immediate waves
I did see some waves later, at which point if I hadn’t already been done booing I would have been.
volatilelyle.com
by almost awesome on Jul 10, 2011 8:05 PM PDT up reply actions
watched the replay, and...
there was an entire 1.8—maybe even 1.9—seconds before that “wave,” as you say, occurred. so he was clearly faking. the tears were a dead giveaway, too. total act job.
guys, even john harkes, the mostobnoxious commentator on earth called the waive in the play-by-play. so if you missed it, you’re less observant than john harkes. ouch.
I don't actually tap the John Harkes commentary
WHEN I"M AT THE STADIUM!
I did not see the initial waves, probably because the Timbers were breaking.
volatilelyle.com
by almost awesome on Jul 10, 2011 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is 'wave' in quotes?
Am I supposed to use ‘waive’ incorrectly as you do?
volatilelyle.com
by almost awesome on Jul 10, 2011 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions
You're right. Being a little selfish here.
Apologies.
volatilelyle.com
by almost awesome on Jul 10, 2011 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions
i'm really not trying to be a jerk.
i’m a nw soccer fan. i’m not from seattle or portland. i’m an arsenal fan. just don’t like seeing injured players getting booed or beer getting thrown on my mom. both happened have happened with the TA. i don’t hold it against them, and i don’t hate ‘em. they’re an awesome supporters’ group. i’m just trying to bring some accountability. sorry if it was in a passive aggressive way. viva football.
I’ve thrown beer on myself and my girlfriend this season and I don’t even sit in the TA. Common occurrence. If your on the ground and the home team is on the move, your going to get booed until the stretcher shows up. Viva football and thanks for being good guy. Cheers.
Had some beer spilled on me after the first goal
and it felt good cuz I was so freaking hot
Blazers win!
I actually agree with you on the booing of injured players
Unfortunately all crowds will do this to opposing players save for the most obvious gruesome injuries (a’la Zakuani).
Kind of like the YSA chant – can’t really get rid of it even though no one seems to really like it.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions
I was glad to not hear the "Shoot him like a horse" chant because that to me is a little much
but “NO PITY IN THE ROSE CITY” has been part of the TA’s repertoire for so long that it’ll never go away, and I’m OK with that.
We had one or two games in Seattle
Where YSA was replaced by “Who are ya” but only by the SG. The rest of the fans still yelled YSA, and it seems to have completely reverted.
Congrats on that.
Envious.
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
Congrats, seriously.
It’s not the SGs that really do it, though. It’s all the other fans thinking the SG does it that are trying to join in, I think.
The ECS has stopped chanting it, I’ve noticed, but those around the ECS still do it. It will take time.
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions
Hey, I totally agree. I know it isn’t the people in charge that are doing it.
Anecdote: after the first Timbers’ goal kick on Sunday, an away fan behind me yelled YSA. I made a cut-throat motion and said “we don’t do that here.” He replied, “good for you.” BUT – i never heard it again, and trust me, it wasn’t because I am intimidating. Any anti-YSA campaign starts on a small scale. Get moving. Cheers.
Do not be a jerk here please
Your team won. Our team lost. Move on with your day, please, and don’t stir up shit. Thank you.
by pdb on Jul 10, 2011 8:29 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow not much for the rivalry are you?
=)
by B-Lot tailgater on Jul 10, 2011 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Would you be
If the first game we won and then went to your sight trying to rile you up?
Contributing editor to Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
If this had turned out opposite, we'd be seeing the same thing at SaH
Doesn’t make it right, but…come on…
by chrisperry1983 on Jul 10, 2011 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions
My Thoughts
With the ball being played away from Hurtado relatively quick I think a lot of people in the stands followed the ball. I was probably one of the few that actually watch him and saw him wave his hands.
As it has been pointed out before it is hard to tell sometimes, a perfect example is Erika of Brazil. She dropped like a rock and had the stretcher come out for her. Now this was away from the play and very few fans saw what happened. However after being stretchered off the field she immediately got off the stretcher and back onto the pitch.
If the play had been whistled dead for a foul and Hurtado had the reaction he did and most of the stadium’s eyes were on him I think the reaction would have been different.
Contributing editor to Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
Again
I don’t condone what they did just trying to offer some perspective from attendee of the game.
Contributing editor to Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
Most fans sit far enough away
that it can be really hard to tell what exactly happened. And with this sports unfortunate reputation of diving people seem quick to assume its a dive (I know I am).
I did not really notice the fall much
But I could tell the way hurtatdo was moving that he was hurt. He was not moving that leg at all and was in an akward position.
That said I do not blame the timbers for playing on. They probably did not notice and even if they did it was a great attack and not something you give up.
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
I'm not much for after-the-fact asshattery
The rivalry itself is awesome, but act like a grownup after it please.
by pdb on Jul 11, 2011 6:50 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahahah
this is sports. there’s no room for grown ups.
by Kyle Ritter on Jul 11, 2011 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions
'Clearly injured' unfortunately is rather dubious in soccer
It was during a Timbers break and was at a moment a dive would take place and where dives often happen. Then he walked off, which was good (and impressive considering his condition), but also a sign of a dive.
I really do ope he’s alright, but how are you going to fault us for that? Fault all the divers in soccer. If you guys had more than a couple dozen guys cheering (aside from that god-awful Seattle—Sounders cheer) you would probably find Sounders fans behaving very similarly.
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I honestly never blame anyone for booing in situations like that
When you aren’t right there or watching it on TV it can be very hard to tell what actually happened. Not to mention, I’ve seen people booing who missed a play entirely just because they’ve heard others booing so that only intensifies it.
“how are you going to fault us for that?”
Agree
“If you guys had more than a couple dozen guys cheering”
Disagree
That was dumb on my part
And it isn’t true. I was stirring the pot, which is worse than if I had meant that.
volatilelyle.com
by almost awesome on Jul 11, 2011 11:59 AM PDT up reply actions
i'm "going to fault" because it requires knowing a little about the game
why on EARTH would JHK go down, immediately wave at his bench, NOT writhe on the ground and start crying, when Seattle was down by a goal and Portland was breaking? Had it been the 81’ and Seattle was up a goal, I could excuse a booing of a genuinely hurt player because it would make sene for him to go down to waste time. This was made abundently more clear when he limped off the field to restart the game as quickly as possible because his team was behind, and he wanted the ball back in play (and this was greeted, incomprehensibly, with MORE boos). In the 61’ (or whenever he went down) when PDX is breaking is not the time to milk the clock; it makes no sense. He wasn’t asking for a card, he wasn’t hamming for the ref—the dude was pretty clearly INJURED.
off soapbox
My final response then
I agree he probably wasn’t worried about the clock. But if you dive successfully, the ref will stop the play or perhaps the other team will play the ball out of bounds. The break is over and your defense can get back and set. That certainly makes sense.
It’s unfortunate that I booed an injured player, and I wish Hurtado the best, but I just don’t see how you’ll convince me to lose any sleep over this. It’s just a symptom of the ugly side of the game in diving (but also some a-hole fans, too).
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by almost awesome on Jul 11, 2011 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions
I just watched the replay and watched the Brunner sending off about six times
He got the ball first, but when you put a boot in the region of someone’s head it’s never going to end well. The Timbers played a lot better today, but why they don’t open up the field and play down the wings more I’ll never know – for most of the first half the entire right side of the field was uncluttered by Sounder defenders, and yet Portland didn’t exploit that. They learned that lesson in the second half and both goals came from the right, and I hope that sticks in their brains because it worked really well. Too bad the defending didn’t hold up its end of the deal.
A tremendously frustrating day.
And I also want to commend Section 110 today
Y’all brought it. You stood for most of the game, and you even joined in the singing every now and again. That was awesome to see and I hope you spread the word and keep it up.
Cheers from Section 111.
This
Though spread out to all the TA. Watching it on ESPN3 from 2000 miles away, and I still felt the atmosphere. Great showing by the whole stadium, and TA in particular. And whoever got the call and response coordinated did a great job. It isn’t easy, especially with what was probably a bunch of first timers going to see PDX-SEA.
Great job all around.
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
A PTFC chant broke out in the west end a few times.
Sounded like it was a response to the Seattle crowd.
Jag kom, jag såg, erövrade jag.
It was also a little tough because ECS brought a drum and was also very loud
At the beginning of the game, TA was a little thrown off once ECS started in but they got it sorted out pretty quick.
We got Alexi Lalas to pose with our flag!
I can’t get to Facebook at work to link it, but do a search on “The Eleventy Ones” and there’s Alexi with our flag – his broadcast area was at the top of our section. It’s pretty cool.
No lead is safe with this defense.
Sad face.
I wonder if there are statistics for leads lost. We have to be very close to the wrong end of that list.
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Possibly not
Our tendency to give up goals in the first 10 minutes probably pushes our numbers down.
Second worst, at least ;)
Say what you want about America, thirteen bucks still gets you a hell of a lot of mice!
Concede early, concede late
If minutes 20’ – 70’ were the only ones counted we would be good.
Timbers are like a bad three act play ripping off Shakespeare. All of the same gags at the beginning or end, the only surprises being in the second act but you know the third act will be something you’ve seen before. But no matter what the same drunk revelers faithfully show up to be entertained anyway. RCTID.
by yepyou'reright on Jul 10, 2011 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Coming from a Seattle fan
Impressed with JELD-WEN (unfortunate name, but whaddayado). Sat in first row in 96. Nice experience. Felt like there were many pockets of Seattle fans littered around. Really hope all the FOs (starting with ours) get on board with the 5% plan.
I dunno
I am not saying it is a bad idea but just thinking in terms of the differential of the stadium capacities. 5% at Qwest is a lot different than at PGE
Contributing editor to Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
True. The Seattle FO also sees it as the only bargaining chip they have in the whole thing.
I think it’s dumb. Open as much of the nosebleeds as portland people can fill. Hopefully days like today can show both FOs the value of having opposing supporters in the stands.
"Hopefully days like today can show both FOs the value of having opposing supporters in the stands."
Absolutely. Well done job by everyone involved. Today was a big step.
Up north, they've really gone for Season tickets at the expense of single game tickets
Portland reached for the opposite in some aspects, emphasizing more single game availability. Seattle has less to maneuver on the 5% front than Portland does because of gunning for more season tickets.
Jag kom, jag såg, erövrade jag.
Seattle has 20K more seats
so they have plenty to maneuver.
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
But their reluctance at least this time around gave them little room.
I wonder what this means down the road if re-ups fall short of meeting the 32k STH mark. Will there be enough people around to pick up the single game ticket slack? Presumably I don’t think that’s a problem until year 10 or later.
Jag kom, jag såg, erövrade jag.
Tough to say...
I was disappointed in their attendence at the NYRB game where they opened the stadium. I expected more so demand is not much over the current 36K. But I also do nto see it going down for the time being. We are pretty much assured another MLS playoff run and even a supporters sheild run right now. Hopefully a good CONCACAF and Open cup run too. All those help and in a way hurt. It is alot of games for fans to go to but on the other hand they really keep the exposure up and give new fans a chance to try a game (and then become a STH).
I think the biggest thing to get demand above 36K is a deep MLS playoff run. It is so close to the time you have to sign up which helps and it is what the casual fan is most interested in. If only LA and Houston would learn their place and let us win! :)
What I fear is a Toronto situation where we start losing for years! But somehow I do not see that happening anytime soon! :)
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
“I think the biggest thing to get demand above 36K is a deep MLS playoff run”
I am completely at a loss on that point. I’ve yet to see that make a significant impact on any franchise. Hopefully, your right.
I base it
On the way things are during deep runs in the mariners seahwaks and sonics. It becomes a topic of converstaion amongst even the non sports fans. casual fans want to go to games, etc… AT this point in Seattle the novelty has run its course so I see only a playoff run as a potential to bring new people out to a game.
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
I'd make that trade, straight up.
I’m a Seattle guy, but I would be more than happy to give you 5% of 26K in exchange for 5% of 19K. It certainly beats 500. (or 150).
Heck, if it got to that, and the FO’s still griped about inequality, I’d be good with 1000 each way.
Another fan here who had a great experience
I was there, NOT sitting with the ECS, but I was not being obnoxious either. I had good conversations with Timber STHs around me and while I felt nervous cheering loudly for my team’s goals – I was not ever made to feel afraid for my safety.
I did get some beer thrown on me at one point, haha, but hey – you spend $9 on a beer and want to throw it, be my guest. Thank god they don’t serve glass bottles there!
by ABTsportsline on Jul 11, 2011 9:49 AM PDT up reply actions
I was a sounder in a Timber section
But had no problems. Cheered loud when the sounders scored. Heard ‘some who let this guy in’ comments but no one really cared.
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
I was going to say...
You are guys are counting on a lot of friendlies, USOC, and CONCACAF games!
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
I do not even really expect Leeway
I expect to be treated decently but decently to me means you are just dumping shit on me, or invading my space. Otherwise you could taunt me all you want. I expect it! :) That is what it meants ot be an away fan. I am a bit mystified by SG from both clubs that seem to think so low of themselves that the feel they have to have any opposing fan kept 10 sections away and separated by a line of security. Can they really not control themselves at all?
Scoreboards, not billboards.
Regular season, not pre-season.
The Sounders in front of me got a loud and booming Rose City 'til I Die chant on each goal.
Jag kom, jag såg, erövrade jag.
Another Seattle fan chiming in to say the Jeld-Wen experience was great. My tickets ended up being in the section beside ECS so it was almost like a home game. Heavily mixed Portland-Seattle fans, but everyone was great. Parking, food, and beer were all found nearby, cheap, and sales tax free.
I did however almost get assaulted by a biker gang walking to my car after the game. Except by biker gang I mean regular bicycles. And by assaulted I mean they were incredible nice and explicitly said, “Don’t worry, we aren’t gonna run you over.”
I look forward to the trip next year.
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