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Timbers Tid Bits: Timbers Army Edition

The Willamette Weekly has an interesting article on the Timbers Army, 107ist and the power they hold over the Portland TImbers as a whole. I'm not sure how accurate some of the underlying claims are of the Timbers Army "having too much power" but there are still some interesting factoids and interviews in the article, especially with Ryan Pore and Timbers Army billboarder Abram Goldman-Armstrong.

Check it out, just remember this is the Willamette Weekly. Take it with a grain of salt.

Enjoy the morning news!

Timbers specific news

Gang Green: The Timbers Army
A fairly in depth article on the power the Timbers Army and 107ist wields. Not sure on it's accuracy, but interesting nonetheless.

Portland's Horst a big reason for improved defense
No kidding, he's been really hustling lately.

Portland Timbers try to stay sharp during long break
Team in midst of two-week break before facing Philadelphia Sept. 10

Timbers season tickets still in high demand
More than 4,000 Timbers fans are on a waiting list just to have the next crack at season tickets.

MLS news (after the jump)

Star-divide

Everton keeper Howard confirms desire to play MLS
Don't get your hopes up. This probably won't happen for at least five years.

Whitecaps fandemonium reaches fever pitch
There's something curious about the constant near sell-out crowds that characterize home games for the Whitecaps.

San Jose Earthquakes terminate deal for unfit Edmundo Zura
Team president David Kaval said the Zura deal underscored the need to build a better system to evaluate international talent.

US to host Ecuador in friendly in Connecticut on Oct. 11
Another chance for Klinsmann to nail down his style.

'Caps trialist Elmasri takes road less traveled to MLS
Former Chivas USA U-18 is looking to jump back into MLS after joining Tigres.

MLS teams dominate early in CONCACAF Champions League
American teams from Major League Soccer are dominating play in the early rounds of the CONCACAF Champions League.

Ruffneck Scarves Renews Agreement with Major League Soccer and Adidas
Ruffneck Scarves signs a new agreement with Adidas and MLS to provide officially licensed soccer scarves through the end of 2013.

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That's the thing about the WW article

There’s nothing in it that’s factually inaccurate. It’s just written in such a way as to try to stir up controversy where there isn’t anything to be stirred up. Everything referred to in the article between the TA and the Timbers has been addressed, and both sides seem really happy with where things are at the moment.

by pdb on Sep 1, 2011 11:09 AM PDT reply actions  

Exactly...

Which is why people should take it with a grain of salt.

But some of the stuff inside is still pretty interesting.

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by Geoff Gibson on Sep 1, 2011 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

The reason the article pissed me off Geoff...

…is not what it says, but it’s tone.

The author seems to be going out of his way to raise suspicion regarding the TA and the 107ist. That seems to have been the authors goal. IMO, that is not acceptable. It’s not what the author says, it’s what he implies.

He says “these guys have $200,000 in revenue”, while only lightly touching on where the money goes very late in the article. The only point of that is to raise suspicions that the money isn’t being used appropriately. But of course he never says it’s being used inappropriately, he just says other things in a way to get you to wonder about it.

This is just my opinion, and everyone is free to disagree with it, but I think the authors goal was to stir up shit for the sake of stirring up shit. That’s just journalism. It’s just being an ass.

by Disclaimer on Sep 1, 2011 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know...

I kind of cringe at writing that seemingly suggests that the TA is an anarchistic group that’s all about punk fashion, as this article does towards the end of the interview with Goldman-Armstrong .
For myself and my friends the TA is a place where you can stand and get rowdy while watching a soccer game, not make political/fashion statements.

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by William Duke on Sep 1, 2011 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

The article written by the british journalist about Sons of Ben made them sound the same way

I forget what mag it was for unfortunately. But he made them sound like a bunch of anarchists, borderline racists, etc. It’s pretty annoying when someone who doesn’t know the sport or culture writes about it and just goes with the judging books by their covers strategy.

by chrisperry1983 on Sep 1, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Pore

POre came across a little bitter. not sure if it was the context he was going for or , if it was written for him to seem like he no longer feels part of the Timbers

by portlandpadre on Sep 1, 2011 11:37 AM PDT reply actions  

Hmm...

I found Pore’s comments a bit shocking actually. WTF do you mean the fans have “too much power”? Are you saying you’d rather play in front of a crowd that sits on their hands or golf claps when someone makes a play? I don’t think anyone in this market is interested in prima donna players who live in some ivory tower deigning to let us kiss their rings after a match. This is all about the community formed between team, fans and city. If one part of that triangle falls out of the equation, then the whole thing ceases to be special. Why everyone doesn’t revel in what’s happening right now is completely beyond me. Is it so wrong to be nationally envied for having such awesome atmosphere?

by The_Rel on Sep 1, 2011 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions  

Look at the modern athlete though

Modern athletes, in any sport, are used to having all the power. They have had the power for years, since the advent of free agency. So yeah, if an athlete comes to Portland, they’ll probably think “wow this is out of whack” because it’s not what they’re used to.

Is it so wrong to be nationally envied for having such awesome atmosphere?

I’d much rather have national attention for the strength and success of the team – I love the TA and they’re a big part of the match day experience, but I want the Timbers to be known as the best team in MLS with a great atmosphere as well, not a phenomenal atmosphere with a blah-to-bad team.

by pdb on Sep 1, 2011 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they caught Pore

in a gotcha moment. People shouldn’t jump to conclusions. And it’s no big deal anyway. Players are human and people complain about their jobs, it’s human nature and cathartic. I’m sure most players appreciate the support and traditions, even if it sometimes comes with criticism.

by yepyou'reright on Sep 1, 2011 5:18 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Gang Green: The Timbers Army

and as a foil:
Whitecaps fandemonium reaches fever pitch

One is closer to the truth than the other.

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by Kejsare on Sep 1, 2011 12:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I read the article yesterday

and also found it interesting and a little bit disappointing.. For some reason I never heard of the logo change (or barely noticed) and thought the older version was fine, but agree it looks better now as well. Even still, most shocking was the comments by players and other anonymous people that said they thought the Timbers Army “held too much power”.. as The_Rel said, it’s a good thing, not a bad thing that the fans have so much input since we’re their primary source of revenue! It’s like going to a restaurant, asking for say, a steak to be cooked medium rare, and then be brought out a charred hunk of meat, sending it back, with the cook throwing up his hands and saying “Ugh! The customer has too much power! How dare they!”

I also kind of detest the way they depict some TA members as some sort of exclusive club that you’re not allowed to be part of if you only started following the club post 2005 or whatever. This isn’t Green Street Hooligans and we shouldn’t be trying to be that, either. TA should be thankful people want to be part of them (I thought the motto was “If you want to be Timbers Army, then you already are”?) and for the most part, I’ve found guys in those sections when I’ve sat there to be very welcoming, although I’ve been following the club and going to games since about 08 or so (I moved here in December 2006) and got into soccer along with following the international game at that time, which spurred my interest.

It’s one of those things I hate about sports: stupid fan culture. “I’m more a fan than you are because I’ve been following the team since 2001!” “I know more players than you do and more history!” Why does it have to be a pissing match about how hardcore you are? If you love the team, you’re a fan. Keep it simple.

by vitaminx on Sep 1, 2011 12:21 PM PDT reply actions  

That's the great thing about TA

it’s not like that, as you mention. The WW article tries to make it like that – and I’m sure there are some TA who might think like that, especially with all us newbies floating in and out – but overall TA is a force for good not evil.

by pdb on Sep 1, 2011 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good comments...

Yeah I particularly thought it was odd that you’d ever describe consumer imput into a product as the consumer having too much power. It’s a bizarre concept, and one that WW would not endorse in other contexts.

As much fun as it is to harp on the “Timbers have Supporters, Sounders have Customers” meme, the truth is that we’re all customers on a certain level. (Some more than others perhaps.) Changing your business practices to make your largest customer group happy is just good business. To criticize it is silly.

As for the rest, there are folks on SCUSA and elsewhere who are kind of elitist about how long you’ve been a supporter, but it’s pretty rare. This is my first year as a STH, and I’d only been to a handful of games before last year. I’ve pretty much never found that to be an issue. It’s an annoying bit of sports fandom everywhere, but I don’t really think it’s any worse in the TA than anywhere else.

by Disclaimer on Sep 1, 2011 2:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Love punk rock

But TA is more than that. Also wished WW interviewed other people in TA, you know, because there are only thousands of us. Going to billboard guy again was lazy.

by yepyou'reright on Sep 1, 2011 5:13 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Article

Trying to ignore, but it’s hard to not get offended. They’re trying to offend, and are doing a great job. Disappointed with Pore’s comments; didn’t we sing for him enough? Maybe he’s bitter about being loaned? Plain and simple, Ryan, you weren’t up to MLS snuff.
And this just came to me…if we were secretly pulling the strings, wouldn’t we have traded Cooper? Just sayin’

by RipCityVillan on Sep 1, 2011 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I will say that the TA Michelangelo sign at some of the games makes me a bit squeamish

WW is probably just trying to get a response. Ruffling feathers can be really effective (see Canzano, John or any number of conservative talk show hosts), especially for an alternative weekly.

One of the annoying things about Portland culture is the way people create and play up any social, cultural or moral high ground in the things they do (captured pretty well at times in Portlandia). I’m sure it’s there in some individuals, but I’ve never experienced that with TA, and the Army certainly can’t be generalized that way.

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by almost awesome on Sep 1, 2011 1:18 PM PDT reply actions  

Instead of God touching Adam's hand to give him life

It’s the Timbers Army touching the Timbers to give them life. There is some truth to that on the MLS level, but it’s too big and too much of a statement for me.

Does remind me of Arrested Development, though, which is nice.

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by almost awesome on Sep 1, 2011 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't see what the fuss was about

It’s not like the TA is organizing bare knuckle brawling at the Bitter End Pub. None of the WW article was news. It’s the faux hipster version of Canzano’s column back in March. People will browse through it while they sip coffee somewhere and then forget about it as soon as they check their Twitter feed. It’s nothing.

by yepyou'reright on Sep 1, 2011 5:38 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions  

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