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Big congratulations to the U.S. Women's National Team for their thrilling 3-nil blow out against the Canadian side, not that anybody expected another result in Portland. I was, unfortunately, unable to attend in person, which is a huge shame because I really enjoy women's soccer and, on many occasions, believe it brings a better, more technical game than MLS does.

Which leads me to my next point: would Portland support a WPS team? Let's say the Portland Rain (which is a fine WPSL team, mind you) was elevated to the WPS and played in Jeld-Wen Field. Would they draw well enough? I know I would love to attend regularly, especially if the team lured on the USWNT players... It just seems like for a city dubbed "Soccer City, USA" we are neglecting another amazing part of the sport: the women's game and that's something I'd like to see change. 

What do you think?

Enjoy the morning news!

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Abby Wambach scored two goals in a 3-0 victory over Canada in a friendly at Jeld-Wen Field on Thursday night.

Cascadia soccer rivalries reborn
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NY desperate for win against playoff competitors Portland
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Northern Alliance Blog – 9/21/11
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Whitecaps looking forward to playing at B.C. Place
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Doubters tough to find after Júlio César's recent surge
I don't recall him playing against the Timbers...

With new stadium done, Kansas City back in MLS playoff picture
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Crew's Mendoza in thick of scoring race
The Columbus Crew forward is tied for third in the Golden Boot race.

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Marquez benched!

http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_by_ives/2011/09/backe-suspends-marquez-for-saturdays-game-after-controversial-comments.html

Rafa Marquez’s controversial comments have cost him a spot in the lineup for the New York Red Bulls’ crucial match this Saturday against the Portland Timbers.

Intrigue!

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by Kejsare on Sep 23, 2011 10:27 AM PDT reply actions  

Damn!

I was counting on his shitty play to help the Timbers out.

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by Geoff Gibson on Sep 23, 2011 10:28 AM PDT up reply actions  

Nervous about this

RB might use this for extra motivation.

by yepyou'reright on Sep 23, 2011 5:02 PM PDT via iPhone app up reply actions  

Womens Soccer in US

I think the current WPS infrastructure can’t support bi-coastal teams. If it wants to succeed, MLS will need to pitch in. I think a WPS/MLS double-header on weekends would be amazing.

by tallperson on Sep 23, 2011 10:36 AM PDT reply actions  

doubleheaders

would be an interesting idea. That might work. Hell if people will stand on the street for a couple hours pre-game they’d certainly come sit inside and buy beer instead.

by Disclaimer on Sep 23, 2011 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

My first ever MLS game was a doubleheader like this

In 2002 I went to see the men’s team play Scotland before the World Cup in Foxboro, and the ticket price included admission to the Revolution game which kicked off an hour after that game ended.

by pdb on Sep 23, 2011 11:10 AM PDT up reply actions  

I know the Portland Fire bombed and this is a huge baskeball market.

Soccer is generally perceived differently than B-ball though. There’s a lot of respect for the national team, but it’s tough to say if it would extend beyond that.

by Dustructo on Sep 23, 2011 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

Yeah, it's very hard to say.

As you said, soccer is perceived very differently though. I feel like your average soccer fan is more receptive to a women’s team than your average basketball fan, but maybe I’m wrong.

by Disclaimer on Sep 23, 2011 11:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

That came out snarkier than I intended it to

it’s just that WPS games don’t really draw fans, unfortunately – the championship game did, but regular season games really don’t.

by pdb on Sep 23, 2011 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

They drew strong crowds at a lot of the post WWC games, but yeah, other than that the crowds aren’t good at all.

long live the jd.

by jksnake99 on Sep 23, 2011 11:26 AM PDT up reply actions  

True enough...

Attendance is terrible to be sure. Looks like they averaged about 3500 per game last this year. I think WNBA is about double that.

That said, I think the WNBA has a better model, in that it’s more directly tied to the men’s league. I kind of feel like if WPS teams were tied directly to the more popular men’s sides, there would be some interest there. Take advantage of the existing emotional connections.

I know that I’d be more interested in going to a Timbers Women’s Team game than I am in going to reserve games or U-23 games. Of course those don’t make money either.

by Disclaimer on Sep 23, 2011 11:18 AM PDT reply actions  

I’ve no doubt that Portland would instantly be at or near the top of the WPS in attendance, but right now its not realistic for the league to go back to being bicoastal. In the first year of WPS, the LA Sol had the best record and lost in the final… and then folded. The following year, the Bay Area Gold Pride (featuring Marta and Christine Sinclair, among others) totally dominated the league… and then folded (at least partly owing to playing their games in a terrible location in Hayward, but still).

The league is in some trouble. Being connected to the MLS would help, but right now MLS may not be strong enough to support it the way the NBA supports the WNBA. Of course, many would argue that the NBA has no business propping up the WNBA.

As a fan of women’s soccer and the USWNT, I’d like to see the WPS survive, but I’m not sure whether its in the cards or not.

long live the jd.

by jksnake99 on Sep 23, 2011 11:25 AM PDT reply actions  

I think NBA were required to support WNBA teams for only a few years

now it is up to the organization. The connect between the two leagues is not as strong as it once was.

Jag kom, jag såg, erövrade jag.

by Kejsare on Sep 23, 2011 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I was at the USWNT game last night

and the atmosphere was nice, but different. It’s probably what MLS would be like if their soccer mom
strategy had worked.

On a related side note, Freddy Braun was at the game and was an informal goodwill ambassador for the Timbers. He went out of his way at half-time to take pictures with kids in the south end.

As for WPS, one big problem imo is that many people view the USWNT as the only professional womens team. It’s like they’re seen as a serious Harlem Globetrotters traveling the country beating up on the soccer version of the Washington Generals.

by yepyou'reright on Sep 23, 2011 5:17 PM PDT via iPhone app reply actions  

BC Place

You guys take a look at the rejuvenated BC Place? Its downright epic. You realize the first Whitecaps game there is against PTFC? Yup. What should be a gimme now looks like a booby trap! Wish I could make it!

I think Oden's about to check in!!

by courtsideerrandboy on Sep 23, 2011 7:03 PM PDT reply actions  

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