West Coast Players Picked In Supplemental Draft
by William Conwell on Jan 17, 2012 1:01 PM PST
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PrintThe Portland Timbers four supplemental draft picks all came from west coast schools as Gavin Wilkinson and company went with players they had the opportunity to observe this college season. Here are some quick breakdowns of their college careers.
Ryan Kowaluk - D - University of Portland
A member of the 2010 and 2011 Portland Timbers U-23 sides, Kowaluk was a two time All-PDL selection alongside his teammate Brett Richards. In 2011 Kowaluk was the only U-23 to play in all 16 of the side's games, scoring two goals in the process. For the University of Portland Pilots he started every game of the last three seasons while earning the All-WCC Defensive Player of the Year honor in 2011.
Find out more about the Timbers Supplemental draft picks after the jump.
Miguel Ibarra - MF - UC Irvine
Ibarra, a NSCAA First Team All-American in 2011 (video here), is a creative left winger. After transferring from Taft to UC Irvine in 2010, Ibarra provided the Anteaters with 10 goals and 18 assists in two years and was recognized as the 2011 Big West Co-Offensive Player of the Year. After showing well at the MLS Combine (video here) Ibarra was predicted by many to go in the second round of the Superdraft so the Timbers will be pleased to have him fall into their laps with the 27th pick of the supplemental draft.
Doug Herrick - G - St. Mary's
The backstop of 2011's surprise NCAA tournament quarter finalists St. Mary's, Herrick held the St. Mary's record for shutouts by the end of his junior year. A NCAA Scholar All-American in 2011, the Seattle native finished with 24 shutouts in his college career, ten of which came in 2011. Herrick also played for the 2011 Washington Crossfire (save at 1:40 here).
Logan McDaniel - F/MF - Loyola Marymount
A left footed player who has seen time at every position from forward to defender, McDaniel managed five assists for Loyola in 2011 playing primarily as a left back. McDaniel is a two time 2011 All-WCC Honorable Mention and one time 2011 All-WCC 2nd Team selection.
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Probably time for Timbers front office to add a full time scouting staff
I understand GW only has so much time in the day to see players himself. It’s time for the Timbers to add a full time player scouting department to the Timbers Front Office.
That’s the next step for the Timbers front office. It’s time.
You're assuming they don't already have one
I don’t know for a fact that they do or don’t, but it’s not exactly a stretch to think that Gavin Wilkinson isn’t the only guy looking at potential future Timbers, is it?
No. I researched. There's no Timbers scouts listed on front office page
I’ve been keeping an eye on this since last years draft. There is no scouting staff listed on the Timber front office page. RSL has scouts listed on their front office. The Flounders have their scouts listed on a coaches page from their online lair.
Looks like we’re only drafting players Gavin Wilkinson himself has scouted. That means mostly West Coast and combine scouting. The guy running the MLS website Supplemental Draft chat posted today on the MLS.com chat “Timbers are only drafting West Coast players.”
That’s understandable for the first year the team is up and running. There’s only so much a team can do in that first year.
Again… It’s time for the Timbers to add a full time player scouting department to the Timbers Front Office.
That’s the next step for the Timbers front office. It’s time.
GW actually does most of the international scouting
Amos does the majority of the college scouting, probably with a bit of help from Jim Rilatt.
Timbers have 3 coaches doing work RSL and Flouders hired 6 coaches
If you include scouting as a coaching task, then Timbers have hired three coaches to do the work RSL and Flounders have hired 6 to accomplish.
I don't think GW should do any scouting IMO
He seems to get focused on one area only too easily (Oceania before, Colombia now), just saying its more than just GW, as implied in the first post.
I think that's the team's strategy
According to what Gavin has said, it’s not a lack of scouting staff that has dictated that the Timbers’ scouting strategy would be limited to certain areas of the world. The team sees a benefit in having multiple players from the same area of the world supporting each other on the team.
Unless, of course, that’s just a sour grapes excuse for having GW do the lion’s share of the scouting.
When I write, I write for the Timbers. Contributing Editor of Stumptown Footy
by Andrew Wheeler on Jan 17, 2012 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Colombia isn't a bad place to focus on
It is a country produces a lot of talented players but has a league that is relatively weak financially. Because of this you can often get good Colombian players with low salaries. You can generally get more bang for your buck shopping for players in Colombia than in places like Mexico, Japan, or England (countries with wealthy leagues that often overpay domestic players).
This was my initial reaction...
But I checked with several other teams that I am sure have scouting departments including DC and RSL and none of them list any scouts on their FO pages either.
That said, I am pretty sure the Timbers do not yet have a dedicated scout on payroll. See Zaggy’s response above.
Contributing Editor for Stumptown Footy
by William Conwell on Jan 17, 2012 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
That's incorrect, William
Here’s the link to RSL front office page
http://www.realsaltlake.com/club/front-office
Soccer Operations
Garth Lagerwey General Manager & Senior VP of Soccer Operations
Jason Kreis Head Coach
Jeff Cassar Assistant Coach
Miles Joseph Assistant Coach
C.J. Brown Assistant Coach
Andy Williams Head Scout
Dan Barlow Strength & Conditioning Coach
Elliot Fall Team Administrator
Michael Fratto Equipment Manager
Rob Karas Camp Director
Teresa Nelson Camp Administrator
http://www.soundersfc.com/Team/Coaches/Kurt-Schmid.aspx
Coaches listed in left sidebar
Sigi Schmid
Brian Schmetzer
Ezra Hendrickson
Tom Dutra
David Tenney
Kurt Schmid
Chris Henderson
Assistant Coach and Scout
Kurt Schmid
Experience: 1st year in MLS
Age: 29 (03/24/1982)
Pronunciation: SH-mid
Hometown: Los Angeles, Calif.
Joined Sounders: 2009
Previous Clubs: UC Irvine
Andy Williams?
The same Andy Williams who just retired?
Contributing editor to Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
So what if their supplemental picks this year were just from the west coast?
They just drafted a player from UCONN and a player from Notre Dame. International transfers from Colombia. Roster has players from Africa, England, Haiti, Jamaica, New Zealand, and the good ol’ USA. I would say the Timbers spread their love around pretty good.
Also, I would be surprised if all of these supplemental picks actually made the team. Timbers should focus a majority of their scouting efforts on Internationals, existing MLS players, homegrown players, and only the very best unaffiliated college players.
Not to say you can never find a good player in the supplemental draft, but scouting players likely to go in those rounds shouldn’t be a top priority. Besides, the west coast has a lot of good players so why not focus there for supplemental picks while you sign players like Trencito or El Mosco?
Stop SOPA
by yepyou'reright on Jan 17, 2012 5:39 PM PST up reply actions
Because that means there's a huge pool of US players we are not scouting
If the Timbers are only scouting the USA players that play lower level/ college games around here and the players MLS invites to the combine, we’re not even looking at most of the American kids we could be drafting.
I don't think it matters much.
PDL, Combine, and Academies should be sufficient filters to find young talent. There might be a diamond in the rough that might turn into a great player one day but I doubt it’s worth the cost of flying around to find them.
True
We should have 1-2 scouts who are at least watching games on TV or something. Who is to say we are not hiring a service to provide film of players?
Anyways I think with Portland being one of the hotbeds of youth soccer (even before the Timbers) having the academy will just increase it and allow for better development of players.
Contributing editor to Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
I think small market teams must to do more scouting
Timbers just do not have the population base here in Oregon to just sit around and wait for players to come to them. Soccer being more popular here is not enough of a factor to make up for the difference in population size.Too many people in Calif and the East Coast. They have 5 times the people we do. They will have 5 times the young prospects.
We gotta be better at using all the tools at our disposal to find talent.
Ryan Kowaluk- Most of the pundits don’t seem to rate him, but since he played for the Timbers U-23 the Timbers should know more about him than almost anyone else. I don’t think the Timbers would draft a player that they knew had no chance of making the team, so he probably has a decent chance of making the roster.
Miguel Ibarra- Great value getting him in the 2nd round of the supplemental draft, he was a player that many people expected to be taken in the super draft (some even rated him more highly than Timbers’ super draft pick Brendan King). Since Ibarra and King are both wingers, it is likely that the two of them will end up fighting for one roster spot.
Doug Herrick- Normally a player taken in the 3rd round of the supplemental draft wouldn’t have much chance of making the team. However, Herrick is a goalkeeper and we could use an inexpensive 3rd-string goalkeeper, so his chances of making the team might actually be pretty good.
Logan McDaniel- Seems like a long-shot to make the team
If the Timbers sign a #9 like they're rumored to
then the odds for these four get longer.
Stop SOPA
by yepyou'reright on Jan 17, 2012 5:42 PM PST up reply actions
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