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The 2012 Portland Timbers Starting 11; What Will it Look Like? [Speculation]

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Now that the Timbers have a compliment of 30 players total we can sort of assume that the team is going to settle down a bit and look towards building for their starting 11 in March. I know, I know the hot rumor is that a third DP will be coming soon as a true #9 striker. But even without him we can sort of piece together how the squad will look in this upcoming season as compared to last year.

So let's take a look starting from the back:

Goalkeeper

I think this one is pretty easy to figure out. Troy Perkins was recently resigned for the express intent of keeping him on as our first starting keeper. I don't expect that to change for the 2012 season because, well, he's a great keeper. Sure the Timbers were scored on more often than I'd have liked last season, but many of those goals can be attributed to a failing backline.

That said, looking at the hierarchy of the goalkeepers I think it's safe to say Jake Gleeson deserves his promoted spot up to #2 keeper. We sort of saw this happening last year with Adin Brown injured and I think he could be a great development for the future of the team, a future #1 keeper, if you will.

Star-divide

No telling who the third keeper will be just yet. I know the Timbers selected Doug Herrick in the 2012 Supplemental Draft, but there's currently no indication that he'll be signed on as a permanent player and we don't know if he'll stick around. My guess is that he'll be at training and the Timbers will decide from there if he's needed.

Defenders

The back line is one that hasn't seen enough change, in my opinion. Yes, the Timbers recently brought on Hanyer Mosquera which will hopefully keep the backline a big stronger in the center, but the back left and right positions still leave me a little uneasy. Mike Chabala and Lovel Palmer each had there up and down moments last season. Maybe it was just them still trying to gel with a team after coming on mid-season, I don't know. All I know is that our back wings are probably the weakest areas currently on the team.

Maybe we should give Chris Taylor (remember him?) a chance at the left-back position and see what he's made of? He played an active roll the in the Timbers reserve side for the 2011 season.

In any case here's how I see the defensive backline in 2012:

Mike Chabala, Hanyer Mosquera, Eric Brunner, Lovel Palmer

Barring any sort of player movement, of course.

I think Mosquera will easily fill Futty Danso's roll in the backline. Not that we don't like Futty here on SF, it's just that I see him out as a starter before Eric Brunner.

Andrew Jean-Baptiste, of course, will probably be used sparingly for 2012 to keep his minutes low and keep him from graduating in 2013. He is a project for the Timbers and a future starter, but not this year.

Midfielders

This is the most difficult area to place three or four players, and I'm going to do each in case head coach John Spencer wants to play a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3.

I think there are a couple of obvious positions that we'll see filled in 2012. Diego Chara, for one, will be there in the center of the midfield. His performance during the second half of the season in 2011 can't be ignored. I also believe we'll see Kalif Alhassan just as much in 2012 as we did in 2011. Despite not scoring any goals (and boy did he try!) he still performed as a midfielder should by getting the ball up and getting around defenses.

The other two positions? I'm not quite so sure.

Jack Jewsbury would be a solid prediction, but his latter seasonal performance didn't do him any good last year and he's also getting a bit older in a team that very obviously values youth. I'll go ahead and tentatively say he'll be a regular starter this year, but I'm going to leave open the possibility that he plays a less significant role this year. Also, if Spencer does go 4-3-3 then I think he'll be pushed out entirely.

The last spot is up in the air between Darlington Nagbe and Sal Zizzo. I think Nagbe will win out in the end as he has the skill and the head for the game whereas Zizzo is mostly just speed. Also, since Nagbe will most certainly graduate in 2013 from Generation Adidas it makes no sense for the Timbers to play him to the maximum amount.

So for a 4-4-2 my prediction is:

Khalif Alhassan, Jack Jewsbury, Diego Chara, Darlington Nagbe

And for a 4-3-3:

Khalif Alhassan, Diego Chara, Darlington Nagbe

I know some of you are looking at that and saying that it's the exact same set up we saw last year. You're right! The Timbers have not signed any big midfielders this off season and I don't think they will. The foundation for a great midfield is already there it just needs to mature.

Eric Alexander will, obviously, stay on the bench and I think newcomer Brendan King will mostly be in reserves for the season barring any injuries.

Forwards

Finally, let's take a look at the top. Two or three players will be the focus of the Timbers attacking squad and I think it could look radically different from what we were used to seeing in 2011. Let's face it, the lack of goals coming from Kenny Cooper and Jorge Perlaza last year was kind of a disappointment. For 2012 we need to mix things up.

First, obviously the two big pick ups were Jose Adolfo Valencia and Brent Richards, the latter being a homegrown player. So will either make the starting 11? Absolutely.

Honestly, I believe on March 12th we'll see Valencia taking one of the top spots as opposed to Richards. He's a DP, the Timbers actively sought him out and he's got a great heritage. I think he'll come into training camp on Monday and light the place up. He's also a fairly big player. Maybe not as stocky as Bright Dike, but just as tall at 6'1". This will help fill the role vacated by Kenny Cooper.

As for who he is paired up with? I'm gonna say Jorge Perlaza for a few reasons. First, his speed is obviously a big factor and you always want a speedy striker up top to make those important runs beating the offsides trap. Second, his Colombian playing style will go hand-in-hand with Valencia. Finally, he has the experience in MLS that no other Timbers striker has right now. Dike and Eddie Johnson did not see nearly as many minutes as Perlaza and I believe that experience will help Valencia adjust.

Now if we're looking at a 4-3-3 position it gets a bit more interesting. Who fills that third spot? Well we know that Spencer and Merritt Paulson were impressed by Brent Richards so it could be him. I also would like to see Bright Dike given more of a role up front. Valencia might be as tall, but Dike is big and physical. We saw in a couple of instances last season where he used his strength to muscle into the opposing team's backline.

Here's my my picks for the forwards for a 4-4-2:

Jose Adolfo Valencia, Jorge Perlaza

4-3-3:

Jose Adolfo Valencia, Jorge Perlaza, Bright Dike

Final Prediction

So with all that said here are my final predictions!

4-4-2

------------------------------------Troy Perkins----------------------------------

Lovel Palmer---Eric Brunner---Hanyer Mosquera---Mike Chabala

Darlington Nagbe--Diego Chara--Jack Jewsbury--Khalif Alhassan

---------------Jorge Perlaza-------------Jose Adolfo Valencia-------------

4-3-3

------------------------------------Troy Perkins----------------------------------

Lovel Palmer---Eric Brunner---Hanyer Mosquera---Mike Chabala

-----Darlington Nagbe-------Diego Chara-------Khalif Alhassan-----

---------------Bright Dike----Jorge Perlaza----Jose Adolfo Valencia--

What do you think? Changes? Suggestions? Complete reworking?

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In a 4-3-3

I see Alexander on the wing. Darlington up top and Valencia first off the bench.

by shrekpdx on Jan 20, 2012 9:46 AM PST reply actions  

actually

I bet in 4-3-3 johnson starts in the middle with perlaza and nagbe on the wings.

by shrekpdx on Jan 20, 2012 11:15 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you on a lot of this

but I just can’t see Perlaza, Dike, and Valencia all starting, and while it very well may happen, I dislike Nagbe and Alhassan playing farther back in both a 4-3-3 and a 4-4-2 because I don’t recall them being particularly good ball winners. Alhassan’s strength is in being a winger and attacker, and Nagbe is a creator of chances with the ball, so both are more suited to a winger role and Nagbe could also fill in as a CAM or CF like he did last year paired up top with Cooper.

I’m thinking more like this:
GK: Perkins
Backline: Palmer (ughh), Mosquera, Brunner, Chabala
CDM: Jewsbury
AM: Alhassan, Chara, Nagbe
ST: Perlaza, Trencito

Alexander, Dike, and Wallace coming on to play in midfield off the bench sound good to me as well. We’ve got something of a good problem with all of the strikers we have but we’re lacking a bit on the back wings, completely agree with you there. I think we’ve got too many CBs now too, especially when Horst comes back. But, we’ve also got quite a few new faces on the team so it’ll be interesting to see how they mesh.

by vitaminx on Jan 20, 2012 9:52 AM PST reply actions  

Chabala

Lost his spot end of the year to Wallace, who has shown some great form. Much more dangerous moving forward. I think wallace will get the call there. Spencer made that clear at the end of last season.

Chabla’s goal vs LA carried him for a while but that luster wore off towards end of the season. He got pyloned on the road matches over and over again.

by portlandpadre on Jan 20, 2012 9:58 AM PST reply actions  

Wallace started the final two

but that could be related to the shot Chabala to the dome at home against Houston.

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by almost awesome on Jan 22, 2012 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree

I don’t think he necessarily got a concussion from that… But I think they were playing it safe and keeping him out, especially considering that Wallace is capable.

by zagman07 on Jan 22, 2012 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Nagbe

I think he’s going to be more effective in the middle, either as a withdrawn forward or as CAM.

I’d like to see another signing at full back because as much as I love Chabala, he did get worked a lot toward the end of the season. Until that happens, I don’t see the back line changing from what you’ve got.

I don’t think Valencia starts at the begining of the year, so my changes to your line up would be Wallace in the mid field in place of Nagbe and Nagbe up top instead of Valencia. The formation I see as most likely would be a 4 -1-3-1-1:

Palmer/Brunner/Mosquera/Chabala
Jewsbury
Alhassan/Chara/Wallace
Nagbe
Perlaza

And take plenty of tissue paper so they can dry their eyes after the game.

by ledjom on Jan 20, 2012 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

I agree with Mr. ledjom.

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by William Conwell on Jan 20, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree

With Wallace and Alexander perhaps being swapped, at least until Zizzo is back.

Signing a true #9, which, given the experience of our forward line, has to be pretty close to being done to pull the trigger on the Cooper trade, will obviously change this alot as well, but I think that is what we are going to see. If that happens then Nagbe and Alhassan will be on the wings. With #9 and Perlaza (I would think). That would let Valencia come off the bench for Perlaza and Dike for #9.

Could be interesting to see Marcelin play a bit at the CDM spot if Jack is slipping a little like late last year….I was REALLY down on signing him, but he proved he can play the CDM role perfectly for us in MLS I think with several of his games last year.

Keep an eye on King or Ibarra too….both those guys are people that won’t start at the beginning of the season, but both are depth at a position we are arguably lightest on and could surprise some people. MP also hinted they could be looking at BR out there, but that seems extra odd to take a Wondo-type striker and make him a winger.

by zaggy on Jan 20, 2012 10:44 AM PST up reply actions  

I definitely want to see more Marcelin in 2012

He’s a more natural CDM than Jack is, and when he had his confidence last year he was outstanding.

When I write, I write for the Timbers. Contributing Editor of Stumptown Footy

by Andrew Wheeler on Jan 20, 2012 1:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel alright (not great) about the left side d with Chabala, Taylor and Wallace to throw at it

I don’t like Palmer as a starter. He seemed to get depansed a couple times a game and I don’t think there’s any kind of gelling that could stop that.

Right backs are usually pretty cheap, though, and not too hard to come by (as I understand it), so it seems reasonable to at least hope the Timbers do something there.

I also wanted to add another wing to the mix, but perhaps, as GW said, getting the true number 9 will elevate the production of the guys we have out wide.

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by almost awesome on Jan 20, 2012 10:32 AM PST reply actions  

Nagbe up front...

I also think you push Nagbe up more and keep him in the center… AND I’m going to “trust” the tweets that two more are likely to come in…..
GK: Perkins
Backline: New LB, Brunner, Mosquera, Chaballa
DCM: Jewsbury (and I hope we get a quality backup here that’s PHYSICAL)
Mids: Wallace, Chara, Alhassan (Richards, Alexander, and Zisso get time)
Supporting Forward: Nagbe
Forward: Perlazza or New #9, Dike subs for energy and push

by rpeck on Jan 20, 2012 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

Crazy thought

There were a couple of times last season, including in the final match against RSL, when Spencer pulled one of the fullbacks and put in an extra CB. For the last 20 minutes of the RSL match, Spencer had a back line of Horst, Brunner, Futty, and Wallace, in name, but in practice he was really using his three big center backs on the backline, with Wallace playing more as a midfielder.

Given the glut of CBs the Timbers have now, is it possible that Spencer could elect to go with a three-man defense in a 3-4-3 or a 3-5-2?

When I write, I write for the Timbers. Contributing Editor of Stumptown Footy

by Andrew Wheeler on Jan 20, 2012 1:17 PM PST reply actions  

That would be a very interesting tactical decision.

I’d be curious to see whether the Timbers could run something like that. Spencer likes his fullbacks to play vertically, and the role might suit guys like Palmer and Wallace far better than the traditional 4-4-2. Still, I’m not sure Spencer wants to go that far outside the box. He really seems to prefer the 4-4-2, or at least did last year.

Nice idea though. Hopefully they experiment some in training. It does help get the best players on the field (at least as the team currently stands)

Oklahoma State will beat LSU in the National Title game by more than 7 points.

by No Pity on Jan 20, 2012 1:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting

But that would put the onus on our wide mids to play defense on the outside more than last year and I don’t know about the rest of you, but I thought that was a huge weakness of theirs, especially Kalif.

And take plenty of tissue paper so they can dry their eyes after the game.

by ledjom on Jan 20, 2012 2:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely a concern

That’s the biggest drawback to the idea for me — having to rely on the defensively deficient wings for even more defense. I suppose if Wallace and Alexander played on the wings they might provide a little more on defense, but still…

They would also have to rely much more on a defensive center mid in holding the middle.

But like No Pity says, it helps the team get the best players on the field and sets them up for a more dynamic attack.

When I write, I write for the Timbers. Contributing Editor of Stumptown Footy

by Andrew Wheeler on Jan 20, 2012 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

This was an interesting look at what Spencer is looking for from his forwards
“We need a true striker that plays through the middle … a goal scorer who can get 12 to 16 goals in a season,” Spencer said. “Someone that’s more of a goal poacher that plays within the 18-yard box, rather than running wide out to the sides all the time.”

I’m curious to see who they try and bring in.

Source

Oklahoma State will beat LSU in the National Title game by more than 7 points.

by No Pity on Jan 21, 2012 1:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Great post

My one question is related to Valencias. It seemed as though he was not a regular starter, so I’m sure whether he was used to the physical grind of playing in a tough, foul happy league. It would be great if he came on and started right away, but I was wondering whether anyone had any insight into whether he was physically ready to do so (talent aside).

Oklahoma State will beat LSU in the National Title game by more than 7 points.

by No Pity on Jan 20, 2012 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

Size wise

He’s perfect. Think Jozy Altidore type body that would do very well in MLS. The question is his integration with other teammates, ball skills (to some degree), and if he can mentally be an every game starter, as well as what position is really his best (and if he’ll get to play it).

I think they’ll bring him along slowly, but I don’t think many would argue that he has the biggest surprise/upside potential. Depending on how his camp goes, I could see him being a starter mid-way through the year, or I could see him being the #4 forward off the bench too for the year too.

by zaggy on Jan 20, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Generation Adidas

Can someone simply explain the Generation Adidas and playing time for me? I get that there is a salary break, but the actual nuts & bolts escape me. Thanks.

by Dharmabum on Jan 20, 2012 2:22 PM PST reply actions  

Another murky subject

There are no playing limits on GA players, and graduation is based on MLS and the respective team’s opinions. Its based mostly on playing time, but I suspect its also based on how close you are to “maximizing” your upside. There have been GA players that graduated playing zero minutes, and there are players that graduate their first or second year playing a ton.

by zaggy on Jan 20, 2012 2:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Remember Nimo?

GA player. Loaned out to Portland for two seasons. GA ends. Career ends.

Jag kom, jag såg, erövrade jag.

by Kejsare on Jan 20, 2012 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

No mention of Horst in the defense?

I know he’s recovering, but he’ll be back mid-season-ish and should be contending for a regular spot in the XI…

Blazers win!

by The X-man on Jan 21, 2012 2:52 PM PST reply actions  

Personally I like a 4-2-3-1 type formation with

Wallace—-Brunner—-Mosquera—-Chabala
-———-Chara————-Cap’n Jack——————
Alexander————-Nagbe—————Alhassan
-—————-Perlaza (or New #9 if it happens)——

Perlaza, Richards, Zizzo, Valencia, and Dike would all be regular subs, and this could easily be switched back to a 4-4-2 by simply subbing out Alexander or Alhassan, and moving Nagbe back out wide with a new F coming on, or by simply subbing out Nagbe for said F.

by zagman07 on Jan 22, 2012 10:12 PM PST reply actions  

I don't like Chara playing that far back

He was arguably much more effective as an attacking mid who created for other players

by vitaminx on Jan 23, 2012 9:41 AM PST up reply actions  

Palmer?

I assume one of the regular subs was going to be Palmer?

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by Ryan Gates on Jan 23, 2012 10:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Good problem to have

I also am very very interested in how to optimize a formation for Chara AND Nagbe…
and what formations are becoming possible… and … and…

And then I realize what a nice problem to have… i.e. some flexibility to optimize our XI vs the scumbag opponents of the day (whoops, RCTID just took hold of me) :)

by rpeck on Jan 23, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Our team is a lot more flexible now

Seeing the current make-up of the team, We can play any number of formations and have the pieces fit.

We finally have bit of CB speed in Mosquera and Jean-Baptise that can cover the faster forwards that we had trouble with last year.

We finally have a good mix of forwards with skill (Nagbe) speed (Perlaza) power (Dike) & potential (Valencia, Richards.)

True, we are thin in certain areas – especially at wing back. Also, I wouldn’t mind one more quality midfielder and a more skill/less speed winger. However, I feel a lot better about this roster than when we began the off season.

Also, I would like to give Alexander a 5-7 starts to see what we have. He relatively young (23) and has some intriguing skill sets and physical size that the rest of our midfield lacks. One of the biggest problems we had last year is we got knocked off the ball a lot from more physical teams. Alexander could solve a bunch of problems is develops.

by Dan Brunell on Jan 24, 2012 9:29 AM PST reply actions  

Actually, we can bring back the 3-2-5 with this team.

The formation of Pre-WW2 English Football: the WM… the 3-2-5

Timbers style

Perkins
Brunner , Mosquera, Danso
Jewsbury, Chara
Nagbe, Richards
Zizzo, Perlaza, Alhassan

by Dan Brunell on Jan 24, 2012 11:39 AM PST reply actions  

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