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The Rodney Wallace Conundrum

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Rodney Wallace is fast. He is good with ball at his feet. He has a wicked shot. He crosses well. He gets into dangerous positions. He is occasionally out of position on defense. His passing is not always on target. He occasionally loses his man.

Does he belong in the midfield or manning the defense?

Rodney Wallace debuted as a left back for the Timbers last year. After falling out of favor thanks to some costly defensive gaffes, Wallace found his way back on to the field for the Timbers as a left midfielder, helping to close out games in front of Mike Chabala. Finally, at the end of the season, Wallace started the last two games of the season at left back.

During the Major League Soccer season, and again during the winter break, Wallace also played for the Costa Rican national team. Each time he came came on as a substitution on the left side of midfield.

Wallace’s success with his national team, as well as his attacking style of play, has made his ideal position something commonly speculated about. A recognized talent, Timbers fans have been split on Wallace since his arrival in the Rose City.

After the jump, find out where our editors think Wallace should play, plus some quotes from the man himself on where he will be playing this year.

Star-divide

In an interview with Wallace shortly after the beginning of training camp this season I asked him about how his time spent with the Costa Rican national team over the break had helped him coming into camp.

"I came in ready to play and my legs don't feel as tired or sore because I was playing a lot. If was definitely an advantage for me. I am just here to work. Now I'm playing for the Timbers and that's the main priority right now," he said.

When asked if he saw himself as a midfielder rather than a defender after playing several games further forward up the pitch, Wallace said, "No, I don't think so. I think that those were just changes that were made for different games, whatever the situation was, but I am known as a left back and that is the position that I will be playing. I don't know what the plans are for me with the coach. As of right now I am a left back."

In the Timbers three pre-season games since then, Wallace has seen time at left back in two games and played on the right wing in the third. In the Timbers first preseason game against the Los Angeles Galaxy, Wallace was part of the first half defense that effectively dealt with the LA attack. In the third preseason game, Wallace’s second appearance at left back, the Timbers managed to shut out a Houston Dynamo team that were very effective at scoring on the Timbers last year, although reports indicate that the Timbers defense struggled at times. Finally, during the Timbers second game, against the Montreal Impact, Wallace lined up as a midfielder and did not leave much of a stamp on the game.

Clearly the Rodney Wallace as a midfielder experiment continues.

Where does he stand in our eyes? The Stumptown Footy editors weigh in:

Ryan:

Rodney Wallace is a midfielder who has be masquerading as a fullback since his time at Maryland University. His speed and his ability to go forward are good qualities of a fullback but his lack of positional awareness and the fact that sometimes he gets caught ball watching are liabilities no team can have. Using him as a midfielder would be the perfect solution, especially in late game situations when Portland either needs to score or needs a threat of a counter-attack. However I am not sure he could earn minutes on the wing given some of the other players on the roster.

Andrew:

Rodney Wallace is the fastest guy on the team. And that's saying something, on a team built on speed. He's crazy fast. But speed only goes so far when you're trying to stop a run down the wing, and at least in 2011 he appeared to lack the size and the vision necessary for a fullback. His speed and nose for goal would be of far greater utility in the midfield. If he gets a chance to play in the midfield on a regular basis, he will score goals -- whether that makes up for his deficiencies will determine whether he becomes a starter in 2012.

William:

For a long time I was in the stick-him-in-midfield camp, but recently, I have had the urge to see him lined up in the back once again. Lost in all the talk of his unfortunate ability to lose his man at just the wrong moment early on last year is the fact that Rodney Wallace is only 23. He is still growing as a player and has the physical tools necessary to be an excellent fullback. If he can mature just a little bit, and if the players on the wing in front of him can as well, Wallace could be an excellent left back in Major League Soccer. When Wallace was reinserted into the starting line-up at the end of the season, he looked markedly better than he did early on in the season. He improved last year and I believe he can continue his upward trajectory this year as well.

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Where should Rodney Wallace play for the Timbers?
Defense
67 votes
Midfield
64 votes
Other (Let us know in the comments)
9 votes

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So far defense is barely ahead in the poll.

Is that because people think he SHOULD play defense or because people think he SHOULD NOT play in the midfield?

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by William Conwell on Feb 12, 2012 5:56 PM PST reply actions  

No pigeonhole needed

The Timbers are building towards having a team that is competitive in MLS, Open Cup and in not too many years – Champions League. Having a speedy and versatile player with international experience fits in nicely when thinking of the the teams hoped for trajectory. For this year he and Chabala should be battling for time in the backline. When Rodney is 2nd choice in the starting 11, he can provide alot of options off the bench. So my guess is that he makes the first 18 in many matches for multiple reasons.

by Ranch Boy on Feb 12, 2012 5:56 PM PST reply actions  

Bench Warmer

or better yet, cut him and use his large salary on a real defender.
1) he can’t defend, he is an absolute liability in the back.
2) his passing is terrible. Nothing caused me to age and twitch in my seat more than his little spinning chip passes in the middle of the field (although in the last couple games I did notice he was passing on the ground a little more).
Yes, occasionally he can get on the end of one and occasionally his cross finds its target. But for the overall lack of technical skill and the gaffe factor, I just can’t bear him being in the game.
I admit, he is a great athlete, he should go out for something in track and field.

by Kracken2011 on Feb 12, 2012 6:01 PM PST reply actions  

i agree

he shouldn’t be in the long term plans of the club, maybe keep him around here as injury insurance but he’s simply not skilled enough to earn a starting spot. at either LM or LB

by #1 Leverage Fan on Feb 12, 2012 8:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Defense

The team was awful at the beginning of last season. They were supposed to be awful. The players hadn’t played together before. They had to get used to 3 different keepers in the first handful of games. The center back pairing was always in flux. Our RB couldn’t get into the country. Rodney was recovering from a season ending injury. The center midfield pairing was in flux with Lowry, Moffat, and finally Chara lining up next to Jewsbury, who had to carry the team for long stretches.

The team was unsettled. He played behind, Hall, Khalif, and Nagbe on the left. Hall couldn’t get a rhythm with him and was pushed to RB, Khalif drifted to the middle too much and didn’t understand or didn’t want to play the overlap, even though Rodney was making the runs and then Khalif lost the ball and oh look, Rodney is out of position. Surprise! Nagbe played on the left and understood the overlap.

Once we get a starting 11 that can stay healthy for a few games, we can get a rhythm going and the players will understand how to play together. We saw this at the end of the season. People will point to Palmer and Chabala coming in as the turning point and they helped, but I think the players finally got healthy and started playing for each other and made a solid push.

Maybe Wallace was complacent with no one pushing him for the starting spot. Well he has that now and I think he needed that push to work harder. With healthy players and some consistency we will see some good play this year.

by pdxscoob on Feb 12, 2012 6:46 PM PST reply actions  

Hey there Rodney

How are you recovering from the scrimmage?

by Kracken2011 on Feb 12, 2012 6:54 PM PST reply actions  

Sorry

That was meant to be a reply to pdxscoob, aka Rodney Wallace

by Kracken2011 on Feb 12, 2012 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Holy Cow!

I was kidding, but now I think I may be right. Pdxscoob joined today and his impassioned defense of Wallace was his first post! BUSTED! This is like Terri Horman creating an anonymous account on O Live to defend herself.

by Kracken2011 on Feb 12, 2012 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Save your inter-hoolness for SCUSA

I am not going to be a player apologist but I am also not going to throw one player on the bus and call him rubbish and say he should be kicked off the team because he had some bad plays.

Do you really want to call me out on here. Fine look I have had the same screen name on SCUSA for the last 6 or 7 years. What, are you like 12 years old? Grow up.

by pdxscoob on Feb 12, 2012 7:08 PM PST reply actions  

but...

I do find it curious you were advocating on SCUSA for Chris Taylor to be traded because we have 3 left backs:

pdxscoob
SCUSA All-Star
Re: Offseason personnel changes thread
Reply #23 – Oct 21st, 2011 at 2:25pm
Maybe we can get Montreal to give up the first pick in the draft for Pore, Brown and Taylor. Nothing against Taylor but we have 3 left backs right now.

by Kracken2011 on Feb 12, 2012 7:30 PM PST up reply actions  

"some bad plays"

I agree, “some bad plays” are part of growing as a player. I’m not basing my opinion on just some bad plays, but on my opinion that you-he-lack innate soccer skills that leads, in part, to bad plays, but also leaves little hope for future improvement.
I hope to be proven wrong.

by Kracken2011 on Feb 12, 2012 7:34 PM PST up reply actions  

We love Humor

Just have to be careful with it.

pdxscoob brings up some good points as to the overall team in the beginning vs how they ended. Not necessarily all Wallace’s fault. Have to admit Alhassan is not even a decent defender on most occasions.

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 12, 2012 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

SCUSA can be annoying....

There are too many people hiding behind their computer thinking they are better fans doing things the “right” way. Individuals constantly annoy me…… but I still go there to talk soccer!

by Howry on Feb 12, 2012 8:14 PM PST up reply actions  

and...

posting cat pictures while simultaneously practicing exclusion. its the epitome of the hipster generation, they’re all still upset they weren’t cool in high school so they gang up on anyone that actually tries to talk soccer. if you don’t have a joined date before 2008 over there they just wait for an opportunity to pounce on you.

i got lambasted when i made the argument that the superdraft is pointless and not worth following…i think they were all debating one of ives’ numerous mock drafts

by #1 Leverage Fan on Feb 12, 2012 8:35 PM PST up reply actions  

fair enough

if a player puts the coach in a conundrum on where to play him, doesn’t that mean he hasn’t been good enough to earn a spot at any position?

by #1 Leverage Fan on Feb 12, 2012 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Great Question

I am going to ask a question to answer your question: Are we talking about Darlington Nagbe or Rodney Wallace?

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 12, 2012 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

ooh. ouch.

But honestly I’d be happy to see Nagbe starting at multiple positions. Wallace in the back is unsettling.

I understand he brings some offensive tools to the team, but don’t we want to shore up our defense before we start taking chances adding weapons to the back line?

That said, I’m not sure Chabala is any more solid than Wallace.

by botanyjames on Feb 13, 2012 6:49 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

i dont think so

with nagbe its what position should we start him, fwd or out wide, or should we change the entire formation to center the attack on his unique skillset (i personally think he should play in the hole)

with wallace the conversation has a bit of a different tone to it – where can we play him to minimize the effects of his downsides

by #1 Leverage Fan on Feb 13, 2012 8:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

For Wallace the question is where do we place him to lessen his negative impact while with Nagbe it is to maximize his positive impact.

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 13, 2012 8:36 AM PST up reply actions  

Prognosticating on who SCUSA users are. Not the best forum to do it here.

Without SCUSA there would not be the vibrant Timbers Army culture today.

And yes, cats are indeed using the internet to assimilate us.

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by Kejsare on Feb 12, 2012 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Can we have a swinging d&%k contest instead?

That’s something I would win. Easily.

That's what she said.

by yepyou'reright on Feb 12, 2012 10:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Doubtful

My duck is an excellent golfer. EXCELLENT.

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by almost awesome on Feb 13, 2012 10:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Laugh out loud

That's what she said.

by yepyou'reright on Feb 13, 2012 11:24 AM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Welcome

I saw you joined today and I wanted to thank you for joining and love to see you are already joining in the conversation.

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 12, 2012 8:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks

I have been lurking for a while and decided to jump in on the conversation. And I already have a fan, so I got that going for me, which is nice. :)

by pdxscoob on Feb 12, 2012 8:59 PM PST up reply actions  

It does seem as though a few scusa members have joined here recently

Anyway, welcome! Always nice to have knowledgeable commenters join in the discussion.

Oklahoma State will beat LSU in the National Title game by more than 7 points.

by No Pity on Feb 12, 2012 9:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

If needed, my apologies pdxscoob

I’m fairly new also. I didn’t mean to be a jerk or a troll. I am under no illusion that my opinion counts for anything. I don’t post much here or elsewhere. I grew up with friends that killed a lot of time making fun of each others sports proclamations and mothers. But I agree with Ryan that sometimes humorous intent may not come across well in a written post to someone you don’t know.
But I assume most people on here are Timbers fans and are looking for more than just superficial mainstream coverage, so we have good deal in common.

by Kracken2011 on Feb 12, 2012 9:28 PM PST up reply actions  

This ^

Whew! Most of the time I am the one doing the apologizing on SF or Andrew but with Andrew he is apologizing for calling Kasey Keller geriatric and bald :)

I am apologizing for being tongue in cheek and the intent totally failing. You should see how my students react to my awesome puns. My favorite one is “Geology it Rocks!”

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 12, 2012 9:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Grrrr...

I apologize in advance to those offended by the two jokes I use most frequently on SF:

1. Kasey Keller = geriatric tracksuit wearing chrome dome etc etc
2. David Beckham = Old Spice

Nobody ever seems to have a problem with that second one, though.

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by Andrew Wheeler on Feb 12, 2012 11:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Yep

I don’t get how the two are different

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 12, 2012 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Kasey Keller you say?

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by Kejsare on Feb 12, 2012 11:44 PM PST up reply actions  

As much Keller fodder as there is in that clip,

my question is: is Olympia Auto Mall afraid we won’t recognize him without his goalkeeping gloves?

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by Andrew Wheeler on Feb 12, 2012 11:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 12, 2012 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean really

The intersection of

people who don’t know who Kasey Keller is

and

people who know what goalkeeping gloves are

basically includes only people who know what soccer is but don’t know that Seattle has a team, which would be … oh …

nearly the entire Seattle metro population.

I get it now.

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by Andrew Wheeler on Feb 13, 2012 12:04 AM PST up reply actions  

No worries

I moved out to the coast a couple years ago and while I drive in for all the matches, I don’t have my soccer friends around to talk about the game. This seemed more of level headed place to talk as it seems hit and miss over at the other board. I like how the articles lead discussion on here.

by pdxscoob on Feb 12, 2012 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Thanks!

We certainly try to give a place where fans can come and discuss the Timbers and other soccer related stuff.

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 12, 2012 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I like that too!

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by William Conwell on Feb 12, 2012 10:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Wait, we get fans here?

I’ve been here for almost one year and have over 600 comments (dang! really?). I would be shocked if I had one fan.

That's what she said.

by yepyou'reright on Feb 12, 2012 10:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Me

:)

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 12, 2012 11:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I've got more comments than Geoff.

I think only Ryan beats me.

Jag kom, jag såg, erövrade jag.

by Kejsare on Feb 12, 2012 11:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Woot!

I have a lot, 2139 and counting.

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 12, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

That one doesn't count towards your total

because you said “woot.”

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by Andrew Wheeler on Feb 12, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Fine

This one will count for two just cause.

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 12, 2012 11:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Defense

He plays how Spencer wants his fullbacks to play. He makes great runs. It is not his fault when Alhassan doesn’t pass the overlap and the Wallace is out of position. If Alhassan loses the ball and he is behind Wallace defense is his responsibility, or a DM slides over.

Watch the scoring highlights from last year. You will be surprised how much Wallace pops up.

by shrekpdx on Feb 12, 2012 7:51 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

He popsup a decent amount in the scoring highlights of other teams too.

And which alhassan certainly didn’t do him any favors, he doesn’t explain wallace’s utter inability to find his man, much less actually stop him.

Oklahoma State will beat LSU in the National Title game by more than 7 points.

by No Pity on Feb 12, 2012 9:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Maybe the discussion should be

Should Alhassan start?

That's what she said.

by yepyou'reright on Feb 12, 2012 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

That is a good one

I think this is the real question. I have a feeling this is make it or break it time for Alhassan.

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 12, 2012 11:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Assuming that Songo'o is signed and plays

Perlaza, Boyd up top. Nagbe in for one wing. Alhassan in the 18, but on the bench. That’s just my projection based on what I’ve read and heard about Songo’o.

I don’t think it’s make or break it for Kalif though. He’s only 20 years old. Some time with the reserves wouldn’t be the end of the world and competition with other wingers like Zizzo/Alexander/Songo’o would be good for him. I’m still a buyer of Kalif long term, regardless of what he does this year.

That's what she said.

by yepyou'reright on Feb 12, 2012 11:21 PM PST up reply actions  

What I meant

Was that if Songo’o is signed and he is relegated to bench he needs to respond and if he doesn’t…..

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 12, 2012 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

then there are plenty of teams that would love to have a guy like Alhassan

Spenny, Gavin and Merritt all think he’s one of the most talented players on the team, and he just needs to build some maturity to get there. It’s entirely possible that a few months or even a year on the reserve squad is just what he needs to get him there.

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by Andrew Wheeler on Feb 12, 2012 11:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree completely.

And am glad we have enough depth at wing to have this discussion this year. Kalif was not polished enough to start in mls last year. Neither was zizzo.

by P Town Player on Feb 12, 2012 11:53 PM PST up reply actions  

work in progress

Spenny made it very clear early on that he needed more from Kalif, that he couldn’t just attack without playing D. He claimed, at the time, that Kalif responded well to that and started working a lot harder on D. Kalif wasn’t ready for the physical, back and forth nature of the MLS. A bit of that was due to youth a bit due to the leagues he had been playing in. More pressure from the coach and other players wanting his spot means he keeps progressing.

The competition is great for him and the team. Long term I bet he gets sold off for a large transfer sum. I just hope we get a few scintillating years from him. I doubt, though, that this year will be one of them.

by skenjis on Feb 13, 2012 10:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Wallace is incredibly talented

But about half my gamethread comments were some variation of “gah! I’d rather dump acid on my face than watch Wallace play another second of ‘defense’!!!!!!11”* I honestly think his best contribution would come as a defense, and he is perfect for the system js wants to run, but I can’t trust him. He has no feel for the position. Hopefully he changes my mind, but I’m not looking forward to seeing him 1 on 1 against a winger.

  • I know, aren’t I clever?

Oklahoma State will beat LSU in the National Title game by more than 7 points.

by No Pity on Feb 12, 2012 9:08 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

That was supposed to be an asterisk footnote. But I like it like that

The irony is overpowering.

Oklahoma State will beat LSU in the National Title game by more than 7 points.

by No Pity on Feb 12, 2012 9:09 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree with this

I remember most of those comments too :)

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 12, 2012 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

When your a fringe starter and young you mold your game to the opportunities you have.

He will have some errors but he will gel with an overall better team that asks less of him defensively and will more than make up with it with his runs out of the back that spencer is looking for.

We are thinner at left back than left winger.

by P Town Player on Feb 12, 2012 10:21 PM PST reply actions  

Goalie, I bet he can block 40 pot shots better than perkins

by Meats101 on Feb 12, 2012 11:01 PM PST reply actions  

I don't seem to understand how some of those went in.

Some were unstoppable, but others? I’m not a GK coach so I don’t know where it went wrong (other than not closing down the man),

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by Kejsare on Feb 12, 2012 11:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think the outfield players were more to blame on Moffat's rocket

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by Andrew Wheeler on Feb 12, 2012 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

They definitely slipped up on closing down space on him.

You cant let any player in mls have that much space in that part of the field.

by P Town Player on Feb 12, 2012 11:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Wallace fits the prototype of a modern wing back.

I was going to mention this during the formation articles but the biggest shift we’ve seen in the top European leagues the last 15 years is the move away from two striker formations. If you look at a lot of the champions league teams, most of them run four at the back with a single central striker. For example Man U plays 4-4-1-1, Bayern Munich plays a modified 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 and Barcelona plays (loosely) 4-3-3.

One of the things that have help make this change are faster, attacking fullback in the Roberto Carlos vein. Fullbacks such as Maicon (Inter Milan), Daniel Alves (Barcelona), Ashley Cole (Chelsea), Philli Lahm (Bayern Munich) and Patrice Evra (Man U) all come to mind as the new modern wing backs who are constantly up the field attacking with speed to spare.

Now, I know Rodney Wallace isn’t even in that discussion in terms of talent. However, in terms of skills set, he could fit that role in a 4-3-3/4-3-2-1/4-5-1 system very nicely. Where he is allowed to bomb up the field in deep runs to provide a second crossing option.

The key with “modern” wing backs are 1) the intelligence to time their runs without compromising the defense too much and 2) a defensive minded midfielder that morphs into a sweeper when the wing backs move up. The prototype of this are Sergio Busquets (Barcelona) and Claude Makélélé who could protect the backline when the fullbacks are playing up the park. I think that would a good role for Capt. Jack in the next few years.

So to answer the question this article poses, I would say both. It depends on the system and other personal we have on the field.

by Dan Brunell on Feb 13, 2012 1:35 PM PST reply actions  

In addition usually

it’s only one fullback that is of the attacking mind, while the other is more subdued. Chelsea and Everton come to mind.

by JRH83 on Feb 13, 2012 1:53 PM PST up reply actions  

The other key

Is the outside mid has to at least pass him the ball sometimes unlike Kalif who used him as the Dummy almost 90% of the time.

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by Ryan Gates on Feb 13, 2012 2:57 PM PST up reply actions  

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