4-5-1: Options for a Deeper Portland Timbers Roster
Ryan wrote yesterday about the formation likely to be the most common in 2012, based on John Spencer's almost exclusive use of the 4-4-2 in 2011. It's true, Spencer likes the direct approach to the attack, a strategy that uses lots of speed and doesn't require much in the way of possession.
But part of me wonders if Spencer felt limited in choosing his formation because of a lack of depth on the bench. There were a couple of times last season when Spenny did trade out an attacker and bring in James Marcelin late in the match in order to help out the defense, or send Futty Danso forward to attack late in the RSL match, but other than that he didn't appear to feel confident enough in his bench options to try a different formation.
2012 may prove to be different on that front. If Kris Boyd pans out as the goal scorer the front office has promised, Spencer may feel comfortable using him as a lone striker, an option which neither Perlaza nor Cooper seemed suited for in 2011. If his defense proves stronger than last year, he may have more options in the midfield. In short, with the deeper bench Spencer will have at his disposal, especially once David Horst and Sal Zizzo are healthy, I don't think the 4-4-2 is necessarily a foregone conclusion for the entire season from beginning to end.
In fact, with the unbalanced schedule, it may indeed behoove Spencer to switch up his formation just to give Western Conference opposition a different look the second or third time they see the Timbers.
After the jump we'll take a look at a couple of iterations of the 4-5-1, one a more defensive posture, and another built for the attack.
First, the defensive 4-5-1, or something like a 4-2-3-1. The formation illustrated below is not one I would expect to see at the start of a match, rather something I can see Spencer switching to for the last 15 or 20 minutes in order to preserve a 1 goal lead. Also, I should mention here that I am leaving Chabala and Palmer in the back four for these illustrations, even though I am quite confident Spencer will not be starting the season with that defensive setup. We'll get to that level of speculation soon enough.In the above formation Boyd has been subbed out for Marcelin, while Kalif Alhassan has been removed in favor of Rodney Wallace, and Darlington Nagbe for Eric Alexander. Defensively, Marcelin and Jack Jewsbury clog the middle and force the opposition's attack out wide, while the speed of Jorge Perlaza and Wallace keep the opposition's defense honest and out of the attack. This setup demands a little more from the fullbacks, but not much more, as Wallace, Diego Chara, and Eric Alexander are available for support on the wings. The center of the pitch is filled with four of the tallest Timbers, some of the best in the MLS on 50/50s.
The 4-2-3-1 isn't great offensively, but offense is not it's purpose. It relies mainly on the counter-attack and hopes that a good clearance from the defense is able to spring Perlaza for a run down the pitch, while Wallace races in for either a centering cross or a rebound off a Perlaza shot. Well, hope is the wrong word. This formation really only threatens this counter-attack and thus leaves three or four of the opposition's defenders out of the attacking third.
The defensive 4-5-1 is boring, though. It's for killing time. It's all about unsung heroes. Screw that.
The 4-1-4-1 is where the 4-5-1 gets awesome.
A lot of the comments yesterday seemed to be begging for this lineup, the 4-1-4-1. And for good reason. If the Timbers defense proves staunch enough, and if Boyd proves dangerous enough, the above formation may become quite common. It surrounds Boyd up top with the Timbers' best playmakers, assuming Nagbe, Alhassan and Songo'o can establish themselves as such. It puts more emphasis on controlling possession in the attacking third, with Chara working with Lovel Palmer (or yet to be named RB) and Franck Songo'o on the right side, Nagbe, Mike Chabala and Alhassan on the left, Jewsbury and Hanyer Mosquera backing up the middle.
This formation hopes to wear out and break down the opposing defense, allowing the Timbers attack to wait until the right moment to feed Boyd for the kill.
Defensively, this formation is less strong. Much is demanded of the entire back four, and they would constantly have their hands full if their teammates proved ineffective at controlling possession. With the addition of Mosquera the Timbers should be more capable in the face of an opposing counter-attack, but too many of those would wear down the defense and limit Spencer's substitution options late in the match. But if the Timbers can do enough damage early on they can revert to a more defensive posture down the stretch, as long as they continue to dominate possession.
There are a lot of big ifs in the 4-1-4-1, which is why it's unlikely to be the starting formation on 3/12. But if the pieces Gavin Wilkinson has brought in during the offseason are as good as their billing, and if our returnees have truly improved and matured, I have a feeling we may see this formation every once in a while, especially against Western Conference teams.
Thoughts about the 4-5-1? Are there other iterations of the 4-5-1 where the Timbers might be especially strong? Am I just way off in my analysis here?
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4-1-4-1
as starting tactical position has some interesting options for subs. id see jewsbury give way to alexander for more defensive posturing if jewsbury is running out of steam. or even for alhassan and have marcelin in for jewsbury. and possibly seeing dike or johnson coming in for boyd.
this doesnt leave a whole lot of room for perlaza though.
by Homes In Catacombs on Feb 5, 2012 12:36 PM PST reply actions
enjoying all the tactical analysis. hope to see more as the season gets underway.
by Homes In Catacombs on Feb 5, 2012 12:38 PM PST up reply actions
Attacking 4-1-4-1
I will be very disappointed if Spenny doesn’t at least give this a real try. not just to mix things up, but a legit run of games to give the boys a real a chance to settle into the formation.
this also gives us good options for offensive/defensive substitutions to kill off the game, rest people, or try to steal a win at the end.
I suspect we’ll lose a game or two because of defensive lapses with this formation, but I also think we’ll win several more because of it. plus, it’ll be a ton of fun to watch.
I’m a Tottenham fan though, so losing with flair is sort of my thing. maybe this is coloring my opinion a bit.
by Cruyff's Turn on Feb 5, 2012 12:51 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Boyd doesnt like this formation
he’s said so many many many many times in the past, so if he play to it (which I think we might given the rest of our line up) expect to see it with Johnson as the 9 and Boyd out (so basically, if Boyd needs a rest or is injured) .
by zaggy on Feb 5, 2012 1:15 PM PST via Android app reply actions
Interesting
I was not aware of that distaste on Boyd’s part. I’m sure Johnson could hold his own in this scenario, especially since he’s better with his head anyway.
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by Andrew Wheeler on Feb 5, 2012 1:56 PM PST up reply actions
to be fair
in a 4141, the lone striker is really just facilitating possession and runs by the 4 midfielders. he’d get chances but he’s actually looking to simply hold possession for the guys making runs behind him.
that’s why Boyd hates this formation so. he scores goals hanging out in the box from service and isn’t a guy that sets his teammates up
by zaggy on Feb 5, 2012 2:20 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
This ^
It’s a big reason why Boyd has withdrawn his name from Scottish national team selection. It’s also one reason why he didn’t score at the same rate in England.
We won’t see a 4-5-1 or 4-1-4-1 very often, not while Boyd is in the lineup. The only time we might see it is late in games as a defensive tactic.
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by yepyou'reright on Feb 5, 2012 2:56 PM PST up reply actions
Player wanting to dictate
Tactics is a little worrisome, I know there was more to it than that. Also Spencer will have learned a lesson about square pegs and round holes with Cooper last year, so hopefully not an issue. But on the other hand, when you’re getting paid well you should work your arse off in whatever formation you’re told to.
Not scoring as much in England, would be more to do with not playing for an extremely dominant team.
Definitely agree
It’s going to be interesting to see the extent to which Boyd allows himself to be coached this year. If they work on a 4-5-1 in training and it increases and improves scoring chances, I certainly hope Boyd is willing to either play the role or let someone else take his place.
That said, I don’t think the 4-5-1 will be the everyday lineup, just something to work on and switch to in certain matches. Giving Spenny a chance to rest some players and really use the depth of his roster is just gravy.
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by Andrew Wheeler on Feb 5, 2012 3:33 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think this is the case
JS is a pure 442 guy, and coached under kinnear, who is also a huge supporter of the 442. He brought Boyd in because he wants to run a 442, not the other way around. Personally, i’d love to see a 451, but it’s not spencers philosophy. And to their credit, they are seeking out players who fit it.
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by No Pity on Feb 5, 2012 8:16 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Not scoring as much?
I find this argument interesting, I know it is taking into account the change in his goal scoring from the SPL to England, because these are his stats for his time in England:
Appearances: 25 (with 12 being as a sub)
Goals: 12:
Goals per game: .48
Scoring just under once every other game is not too shabby. Coopers Goals per game last year was .23 (8/34), of course he took 78 shots to get those 8 goals. If my memory serves me Boyd does not take that many shots to get his goals. All in all if he even keeps up his lowly rate from England he will still end up scoring 16 goals which puts him in contention to win the golden boot.
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I don't think he would dictate formations here
As mentioned, I think he was brought here to fit with Spencer’s 4-4-2. If Timbers ever have to run a offensive 4-5-1 , I doubt Boyd would be the guy up front. I see Johnson in that role. But I really don’t think we’ll see a offensive 4-5-1 much, if ever.
And if Boyd’s scoring rate isn’t what was hoped for, we’ll have more to talk about than just tactics. But even if he just scores at his England rate, Boyd will still score plenty of goals for us and the 4-4-2 will likely be the regular formation.
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by yepyou'reright on Feb 5, 2012 9:03 PM PST up reply actions
Excuse me, "I don't think he will dictate formations here."
I have to start thinking of Boyd as real.
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by yepyou'reright on Feb 5, 2012 9:05 PM PST up reply actions
A 4-3-3?
I think this would be the compromise between the 4-5-1 and the 4-4-2. But it would really be a huge change in Spencer’s philosophy. However a 4-3-3 would still require Boyd to be at least semi into the play maker role but would also allow him to be in the middle of the field.
The other option would be to play the 4-5-1 with Nagbe playing the false nine role. This would mean Boyd still gets to play like he is in a 4-4-2 because Nagbe takes over the lone striker duties…..
Just a thought, but we probably only see this on Rare occasions when the opposition plays primarily through the middle (LA Galaxy and RSL come to mind)
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same thing
A 451 and a 433 are basically the same thing, at least how we’d play it. yes Boyd’s in the middle but again that 9 position has to hold possession for either the other forwards or the some of the midfielders to make runs. it just doesn’t seem to work with Boyd, and like everyone has said, Spencer is a 442 coach.
by zaggy on Feb 5, 2012 10:29 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Wallace
I don’t see him as a good midfield wing sub if the Timbers have the lead, not until he demonstrates more responsibility and tracks back with more energy. Too many times last season, when he was the LB, he was caught up top and just jogged back on defense leaving the CBs in no mans land. It was play like this that made the CBs look bad, when it was really very poor defensive play from both the midfield wings and wing backs.
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I agree that he wouldn't be brought in as a defensive sub per se
but as we’ve seen in his work with the CR national team, the guy can get up field in a hurry. He’d be added late in a game to deter the opposition from bringing that extra defender forward to attack. If we have a strong left fullback (big if), I see this as an option for Spenny.
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by Andrew Wheeler on Feb 5, 2012 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting thougt
You’re right, we would need a strong LB who won’t wilt in the last 15-20’. Right now, I see Wallace more as the guy who comes on if we’re down a goal late.
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by yepyou'reright on Feb 5, 2012 9:08 PM PST up reply actions
I could also see the possibility of a more attack minded 4-2-3-1
Lined up roughly like:
Boyd/Johnson/Perlaza
Al Hassan – Nagbe – Songo’o
Chara – Jewsbury
Chabala – Mosquera – Brunner – Palmer
There’s not necessarily a reason a 4-2-3-1 needs to be quite so defensive as you lined it up. With both Chara and Jewsbury in the 2, they could essentially take it in turns making runs into the attack, while this lineup also leaves the more technically skilled players (Nagbe, Al Hassan, Songo’o) in the game.
That's a good looking lineup as well
What personnel is chosen for each role is a major determinant.
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by Andrew Wheeler on Feb 5, 2012 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
what i appreciate about this season
is we can see lots of dfferent things working, where as last we were hoping to hold it together.
Let’s hope these new guys live up to even some of their billing
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4-3-3
Will we see comments for this formation next? This is one that I am most curious about.
I think we have the depth up front to try this once in a while.
Yes
William has this one and it will be up in the next couple of days.
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look
with the players we had last year a straight 4-4-2 was not the best formation, i dont think it plays to the strengths of nagbe and kalif (and chara for that matter), and its fun to throw all these formations around and pick lineups. but we need to face the music, our coach is a 4-4-2 guys and our FO is getting him players that prefer that strategy. kalif and nagbe to find a way to fit into or because it doesn’t look like spencer will tailoring the strategy to them. if it was me i’d play an x-mas tree with kalif and nagbe right behind the striker, but our coach is scottish not italian.
p.s. why are we assuming jorge is starting? didn’t he ride the pine most of the second half of last season?
Because
He was injured. He had a back injury that hampered his playing ability and thus we did not see him play much the last few games of the season.
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I won't mind seeing some different formations
I just don’t think we’ll see an offensive 4-5-1 very often. In my opinion it’s completely useless in MLS with its big, physical backs.
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by yepyou'reright on Feb 5, 2012 9:37 PM PST up reply actions
pretty much
right on about the 442 thing.
I think perlaza is the guy most are leaning towards starting due to comments from Spencer, the number of times he started last season, and the fact that Boyd works best with someone who can do the running and open space for him, especially if most service comes from the wings. I think Nagbe might take over at some point, but he’s not as proven up there yet, and we, at least at this exact moment, lack a real quality backup in the wide midfield (Zizzo out, renken a question mark, Alexander not really a winger, Songo’o not signed).
by zaggy on Feb 5, 2012 10:36 PM PST via Android app up reply actions
Yep we are one good winger and one good fullback away from a very strong lineup in my mind
Hopefully theres still working on this with a trade or signing.
In fairness to Boyd...
(in response to a couple other posts here)
I’ not sure the problem is that he “won’t” play in a 4-5-1 so much as that he’s just not particularly good at it. It’s true that their common use of the 4-5-1 has a lot to do with why he hasn’t played much for Scotland, but I think it’s also got a bit to do with a personality conflict with the former coach. In any case, he seems to do much better when there’s someone up there with him.
I don’t really understand why this is the case, but it’s been commented on several other places, so it sounds like it’s just how it is.

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