Recap: Kings of Cascadia! Well, More Like Kings of BC!
Quick Recap:
The Portland Timbers controlled the first half for 45 minutes and 30 seconds and got the first goal. In the 30 seconds they didn't control the game, the Vancouver Whitecaps got a corner on a dubious call, and, of course, they scored. Portland did not let the late first half goal get them down, coming out firing on all cylinders and getting the go-ahead goal. Portland then held on for the win.
First Half:
Portland came out firing and looking to duplicate the good from their last two road performances. The Timbers' first shot was indicative of the way they was going to play. They put a lot of high pressure on Vancouver, forcing a turnover high up the field before attacking. In this case it was all Darlington Nagbe, but his shot was deflected over the goal. Which brings us to another theme of the night botched calls: the referee awarded a GK instead of a corner. The ref was consistently bad -- for both teams.
Time and time again, Portland applied just a little pressure and Vancouver coughed up the ball. I don't think I've seen so many errant passes by an opposing side since before the eight game winless streak started. Again in the 14th minute, with very little pressure, Nagbe was able to scoop up a turnover and attack down the middle of the pitch, weaving in between three players, before hitting the ball out wide to Franck Songo'o. Songo'o then hit a hard shot from the corner of the box but right at Cannon.
The play continued to go Portland's way, and chance after chance came, but none of them forced a save out of Cannon. When Vancouver had the ball, it tended to stay in their half, leading them to rely on long balls to the feet and head of their forwards. Most of the time these passes were either off-target or easily intercepted.
Once Portland did gain possession back, they tried to work it down the wings, but Vancouver really had game-planned defensively for Portland's wings. They had multiple players covering both Sal Zizzo and Songo'o, which made it difficult for either of them to attack down the wings. With so many defenders on the wings, Eric Alexander and Darlington Nagbe found lots of room, which they used to create headaches for Vancouver.
In the 27th minute the Timbers once again found themselves the benefactors of a errant pass -- this time right to Captain Jack Jewsbury. Jack passed it forward to Nagbe, who then passed it to Songo'o. Songo'o took a touch and hit Steven Smith on the wing, who had time to look up into the box before hitting a cross to Bright Dike and Sal Zizzo, waiting in the box. Dike was able to beat Jay Demerit to the ball, but his header hit right off the post and out, allowing Vancouver to clear it.
Over the next thirteen minutes neither Vancouver nor Portland were able to create a dangerous chance, but in the 41st Portland took the lead. Portland's goal started to take shape with a great defensive stop by David Horst after a Vancouver counter had stretched Portland's back line. Horst won the ball 39:37 minute mark and passed it upfield to Nagbe. The ball was then played up the left side, then back to the defense, and then out to the right side to Bright Dike. Dike then passed it back into the middle to Alexander, who took a touch and laid it off for an attacking Jack Jewsbury. Jewsbury attacked the center of the defense before hitting a diagonal ball to the "Boy Wonder," who stretched to cut the ball past Young-Pyo Lee and found himself with ample space in front of goal.
Instead of hitting it at Cannon like all those one-on-ones Portland had against New York's keeper, Nagbe showed some composure, waiting for Joe Cannon to commit to himself to the ground, before pounding it the other way. It was the first time in Portland's MLS history that a player has scored in three consecutive matches.
Of course, Portland's lead did not last long, which is par for the course this year. In stoppage time Kenny Miller hit a cross so badly that the referee thought it had been deflected. The phantom deflection resulted in a corner, and Vancouver was able to score, because no one pushed up and no one decided to mark Miller, who was wide open at the edge of the area. Just like his cross that won the corner, Miller's shot was the result of a shanked cross from Jay DeMerit that probably would have gone out for a goal kick (or, rather, a corner kick) if it had gone where he was aiming.
Portland, after dominating nearly the entire half, had to settle for a 1-1 scoreline after 45.
Second Half
Whatever was said at half time really helped Portland shake off the late equalizer, and they came out firing on all cylinders once again. Portland wasted no time and forced Cannon to make a save in the first minute of the half -- granted, Dike's shot was right at him from distance after he won the ball off a Vancouver defender, but it signaled Portland's intent to keep applying the pressure.
Even as Portland was trying to get the go ahead goal, so was Vancouver, and, despite the fact Portland was controlling the run of play, Vancouver did have their chances. Their first chance came off a corner in the 50th minute, played to the near post, where a Vancouver player was able to flick towards goal. Donovan Ricketts got a glove to it, but it deflected right into the path of another Whitecap, Andy O'Brien. O'Brien got his head on the ball, and it was going in until a streak of robin's egg blue threw himself in front. Portland was then able to clear the ball out of danger and start its own counter, but it didn't produce a scoring opportunity.
The game started to show a frantic pace, as both teams really felt like they could get the go-ahead goal. Portland was able to capitalize on a dubious call of their own. Oftentimes when Dike and a defender get tangled up, the call tends to go against Dike, but this time the call went against Vancouver defender Andy O'Brien. Songo'o, taking the free kick, put a curling shot to the near post, forcing Cannon to make a save -- but instead, Cannon did his best Zac MacMath impression, letting the ball skip off his gloves and into the goal.
After the goal, neither Portland nor Vancouver created much, but there was a lot of back and forth play over the next 20 minutes. After that, the last 15 minutes had every possibility of ending in a bang or a thud. In the 74th minute Vancouver had their best chance for the equalizer.
Dane Richards was at the top of the box with the ball, where he turned to pass Jewsbury, but Jack was able to recover to poke the ball away from him. Unfortunately the poke megged Kosuke Kimura and allowed Richards to get behind the defense, forcing Ricketts to come out and challenge for the ball. The ensuing shot caromed back to Camilo, who, seeing Ricketts out of position, dribbled the ball around and lofted the ball into the open goal. Steven Smith had recovered towards the goal line and, while moving back into the goal, was able to get his beautiful Scottish head on it to clear it off the line.
Portland was then able to clear the ball at least out of the 18, from which point a long shot by Jun Davidson went well over the bar. Portland still had to weather one last storm in the 77th minute, as Barry Robson was able to find space to hit a knuckle ball of a shot towards Ricketts. Ricketts was unable to get a hand on the shot but did get his body in front of it, and the ball deflected out for a corner.
The game was effectively over in the 83rd minute, when Vancouver played a long ball towards Darren Mattocks. Mattocks challenged Horst for the ball, leading with his forearm in a swinging motion. After a minute of consultation with his assistants, the ref pulled a red from his pocket and sent Mattocks to the showers early. I am not sure it was purposeful, but it was an elbow to the face.
Portland was able to kill the game off and take back the top spot in the Cascadia Cup standings.
Observations
- The last three games have been the best games to watch in terms of passing and creation of chances, and, if this continues, Portland could have decent final two months.
- I love what I am seeing from Nagbe the last three games. It is as if a switch has been turned and a new Nagbe has been born.
- Eric Alexander has proven he is deserving of more time in the middle of the pitch. Can you imagine a CM trio of Nagbe, Chara and Alexander? I don't know if it would work but I think it would be interesting.
- Horst and Kimura fell asleep on the goal, but other than that they played a solid game.
- Smith had his best game in a while.
- Can anyone tell me why Vancouver traded away all of those attacking players? They sure looked like they have been neutered up top.
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For that save alone he should get MOTM
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by yepyou'reright on Aug 26, 2025 10:09 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree
Smith definitely save of the week. And for Man of the Match my vote is for Diego Chara. The whole team is so much more fluid with him on the bench. No coincidence two of our biggest wins this season have come with him on the sideline.
by theshado on Aug 26, 2025 6:56 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Half agree
1) The last three games the team is playing the best soccer we’ve seen since the MLS franchise began (I’m not talking wins/losses, I’m talking quality of play, enjoyability to watch), Chara has been in the previous two;
2) We have a history of winning home games against the best teams. Chara has been in plenty of those;
BUUUUUT…it sure is nice to know Chara can be suspended and Alexander can fill in just fine and we don’t have to worry about Palmer getting playing time. And I think your comment about fluidity has some ring to it because Alexander doesn’t foul (and stop play and lose possession) as much as Chara. I’d love to see Chara Alexander and Nagbe in the middle, but Jewsbury has been earning his spot as of late.
by Kracken2011 on Aug 26, 2025 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions
Disagree
We didn’t have as much presence in the middle third. There was a lot more booting of long balls without him. I think it is, in fact, a coincidence.
by almost awesome on Aug 26, 2025 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
Disagree
I think if Chara is in there we win 3 or 4 to one. With the way they were coughing up the ball without him I can only imagine how hideous their passing game would look with Chara in there.
by smorris793 on Aug 26, 2025 8:58 AM PDT up reply actions
That's a bit cynical, but EA did have a nice game
JJ has looked better lately, but like Horst, he is prone to defensive gaffes or lost focus that always seems to get punished or leads to a near disaster. That said, we know the long term future isn’t with JJ and Chara is only in his mid-20s.
In the future, next season perhaps, if we’re going to stick with a 4-3-3 I don’t mind the idea of a Nagbe-EA-Chara MF… if there are no MF upgrades in the off-season (I hope there is).
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by yepyou'reright on Aug 26, 2025 10:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Who would you get rid of for upgrades to the midfield?
Nagbe? Chara? Alexander is a good possibility but if he’s in the right system, he’s got some good stuff.
by vitaminx on Aug 26, 2025 1:43 PM PDT up reply actions
agree
100%. ive been saying it for about a year.
by #1 Leverage Fan on Aug 26, 2025 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
#GWin
Haha. All those “GW Out” signs bothered me at first. It’s game day, get behind the team. But by the end…whatever. GW has them playing in a new system that fits the talent, they are playing consistently good soccer (home and away), Nagbe is playing like he’s possessed, the midfield as a whole is great (with Chara out and EA in—when did Spencer ever give EA a shot in the middle?), Dike is just a joy to watch, and Ricketts—I can only speak for my section of the crowd—completely won us over. We all looked forward to Ricketts getting his hands on the ball. He can throw it, with accuracy, as far as other guys kick it. He can kick it, well, you saw. And he’s got swagger. Distribution was a part of Perkins game that made me cringe despite the great saves he was capable of. Great game and great style of play.
by Kracken2011 on Aug 26, 2025 8:06 AM PDT reply actions 3 recs
GW out signs
Of course, they didn’t show those on the mlssoccer video feed. How many were there? Just in the TA section?
by Withdrawn Striker on Aug 26, 2025 8:24 AM PDT up reply actions
There were quite a few in the TA
Probably 15-20 overall? Some were small banners, some were two-stick signs, some were cardboard. I was very surprised at the lack of vocal anger towards Gavin, though – I was thinking there’d be a lot more booing and jeering, but the dissent was mostly limited to the signage. It came out again at halftime, in smaller numbers but still.
by pdb on Aug 26, 2025 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions
People had mini scarves as well
My favorite was a sign that said “Idiots” and “Morans” with a bunch of arrows pointing around the army. And yes, that particular idiot misspelled moron.
Personally, I am slowly warming up to GW.
by smorris793 on Aug 26, 2025 9:01 AM PDT up reply actions
That was an intentional misspelling though. Have you seen this picture?

by pdb on Aug 26, 2025 9:07 AM PDT up reply actions
I have
Didn’t know that guy was so popular…
by smorris793 on Aug 26, 2025 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions
The two sticks were all made by the same people and handed out to whoever wanted them.
The sentiment was still strong with a lot of people, but it wasn’t like everybody with a sign went out and made it themselves.
The “Moraons” one was pretty funny.
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by William Conwell on Aug 26, 2025 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions
It's one win
If they got out and win a few in a row, and win a road game for goodness sake, then maybe the case for or against GW becomes more objective and less trivial.
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by yepyou'reright on Aug 26, 2025 9:44 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Agree...
wholeheartedly. (Unless that was a little dig at Diego, in which case, “Agree with everything but the Chara dig.”) It feels like we’re finally getting the right people in the right places and playing the right game.
by BuryMeInGreen on Aug 26, 2025 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Not at all a slight at Chara
I’m a big Diego fan. But I like seeing EA play there for depth purposes. Come to think of it, EA can sub in to any of the midfield positions.
by Kracken2011 on Aug 26, 2025 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions
you cant ignore the fact
that we were better without him on the field.
by #1 Leverage Fan on Aug 26, 2025 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions
what fact?
We played about the exact same last weekend as the weekend before with Chara at NYC. But for a few breaks going against or for us, it was the EXACT same level of effort in both games.
To say we were better is just making stuff up.
by SEDave on Aug 27, 2025 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
With the red card
the more I watched it, the more I felt that he got the call right. If you watch the youtube highlight (link) you can see Mattocks not even looking for the ball and just swinging an elbow.
Unsportsmanlike Conduct (a yellow) and Violent Conduct (a red) will always be an iffy call as its to the discretion of the referee. I think there was enough to warrant a red.
by Mesheke on Aug 26, 2025 8:10 AM PDT reply actions
I sit close to where it happened, in real time
it looked pretty nasty to me. Without looking at replays, I wasn’t surprised he got the red. After seeing replays, I agree a red is defensible. That ref was comical, patting his pockets to find his red card. Looked like he hadn’t had to reach for that pocket before.
I think Leverage sits that end as well, he may have a different take.
by Kracken2011 on Aug 26, 2025 8:22 AM PDT up reply actions
I didn't see the foul as we sit on the other end but I did see the ref looking for his red card like he'd lost his keys
it was pretty comical.
by pdb on Aug 26, 2025 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions
Who says MLS refs can't use instant replay?
He took so long to get the card out that the slow motion replay of the elbow started playing on the big screen. About 8 seconds before he pulls out the red card (6:21 on the highlight reel), the ref turns to his right and looks behind him; he’s looking straight at the screen and watching the replay.
I’m not sure if it was worthy of a straight red, but Mattocks clearly wasn’t even looking at the ball, he was just trying to knock Horst over and get past him. It doesn’t look like he makes contact with Horst’s face, and Horst sprang right back up after it happened. Although, from the angle that the linesman was watching it, it probably looked like Mattocks wound up and gave Horst a left hook to the grill.
by snizz on Aug 26, 2025 8:49 AM PDT up reply actions
Shame that Cahill didn't get a red
For doing the exact same thing.. Makes me wonder if there is some sort of unwritten rule for older European players to never get red carded, liked of like the NBA and start players never foiling out.. This was nowhere near as bad as last week, to be honest, the straight red surprised me.
by vitaminx on Aug 26, 2025 10:23 AM PDT via Android app up reply actions
I saw that, too.
He seemed to clearly be checking out the video before he gave that card out.
by stax o' wax on Aug 26, 2025 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions
In real time from the old side of the park it looked like a clear red
That’s what I saw and what the linesman would have seen.
On replays it looks like a really harsh call to me. Don’t teams get to appeal one red this year? I think Vancouver could use theirs here.
by almost awesome on Aug 26, 2025 8:52 AM PDT up reply actions
Did you see how high Dike jumped to get that header he put off the post?
I thought it was a wasted cross. I was shocked he got up there for that.
Songo’o had an excellent game. But he definitely should have had a yellow (on a couple occasions) for time wasting in ET, and isn’t he sitting on 4?
by almost awesome on Aug 26, 2025 8:57 AM PDT reply actions
Songo'o was in rare form
Not only the blatant time-wasting at the end, but he was taking a lot of dives, and the ref wasn’t buying many of them. He must have been taking acting classes.
by snizz on Aug 26, 2025 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Dike
It is nice to see him get a chance to play. I thought he and Nagbe (Songo’o as well) looked pretty solid last night. Nothing against Boyd, but for a team like the Timbers, both in current standing and moving forward, having him play is a waste of time. In a vacuum Boyd offers more (at least I think he does), but when you factor money, age, etc…it is pointless to have him on this team imo. Some of the most watchable Timbers games for me this season have featured no Chara and no Boyd…go figure.
by theblacklodge on Aug 26, 2025 9:18 AM PDT reply actions
If the "philosophical difference" was using
Nagbe differently so he can become the star, I’m fine with that. I remain unconvinced GW is the one to sign good complementary players, but if they’re going to go with an offense that plays to Nagbe’s strengths I think that is a good idea.
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by yepyou'reright on Aug 26, 2025 9:49 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
I laughed.
if they’re going to go with an offense that plays to Nagbe’s strengths I think that is a good idea.
Totally agree.
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by William Conwell on Aug 26, 2025 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions
So what do we do with Boyd now?
Seems like the team has really been clicking the last few weeks without him. I never thought he was a good fit for this team and this is seeming to confirm that. We only have him on a one year deal, right? Do we just ride out the season with him on the bench? Try to trade him? Or does anyone think we should put him back in?
Thoughts?
Just crazy to me our two highest paid players ride the bench last night (okay Mwanga was in for all of 10-15 mins.), and we still play well.
by SEDave on Aug 26, 2025 10:03 AM PDT reply actions
I like Boyd, but it appears to have run its course
Not sure of contract status, one or two years? I think he will be sold back to Europe, traded to a eastern conference team, or not renewed if his contract is up. I just don’t want to see him on a western conference team.
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by yepyou'reright on Aug 26, 2025 10:08 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I believe
Its an one year deal, with an option for a second.
Anyone else know?
by Meats101 on Aug 26, 2025 10:11 AM PDT up reply actions
I thought it was 2 with an option for 3rd
by Kracken2011 on Aug 26, 2025 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions
However I do recall
Gw saying I the paper Saturday that Boyd will be back next year
by Meats101 on Aug 26, 2025 1:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Pay does not correlate with value
Boyd will probably not be back next season, and that’s a shame – but it’s not because he’s a bad player; he just doesn’t fit here. I had hoped it would work out but it doesn’t seem like it’s going to, and I just hope they get good value for him in return.
by pdb on Aug 26, 2025 10:10 AM PDT up reply actions
Honestly
He would be a perfect fit for Houston.
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by Ryan Gates on Aug 26, 2025 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions
If it wasn't for that whole
Playing in the heat thing, sure.
by vitaminx on Aug 26, 2025 10:27 AM PDT via Android app up reply actions
If they will take him in trade that's no longer Portland's problem
by pdb on Aug 26, 2025 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Sure, that's true
But it will obviously be a factor in whether Houston would want him.
by vitaminx on Aug 26, 2025 10:46 AM PDT via Android app up reply actions
Plus Houston has moved to a 4-3-3 for now
by Kracken2011 on Aug 26, 2025 12:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Turkey must be pretty hot
He must have been willing to play in the heat at some time.
If we have a system that works with him I want to keep him because transplants to MLS often do better in second year, but we can’t force fit.
by alantyll on Aug 26, 2025 11:26 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
But would you want to keep him for that salary?
Think of the dream defense we could assemble with an extra $1.5 million dollars!
by SEDave on Aug 26, 2025 3:42 PM PDT up reply actions
An extra $350k or so of cap space.
That is about half of what we are spending on our defenders right now. Of course, Valencia is going to be a bigger cap hit next year (we are paying his salary out of our cap, I think, but next year we will have to pay his salary and the transfer fee which is what will bring him up to a designated player size deal [or something like that]).
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by William Conwell on Aug 26, 2025 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
And other stuff, of course.
A DP slot and an international slot would also be freed up.
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by William Conwell on Aug 26, 2025 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Smith
Smith was so money last night. While I was in awe of Songo’o’s skill (damn that’s a lot of apostrophe) I have to give my MOTM nod to Smith because he pretty much single-handedly saved us from another draw. In addition to the killer goal line save, he was just, in general, keeping his side of the pitch well patrolled.
by The_Rel on Aug 26, 2025 10:09 AM PDT reply actions
3 quick thoughts
-This is the songo’o we have all been wanting… the guy has been on fire lately.
-Kimura and Smith really did have great games. They had some talented fast players going at them, and they reallly held them in check overall.
-We all bashed GW all year for the players he has brought in. Now that he has really got his coaching mark on the team you can see that we really do have a pretty talented team. Spencers biggest problem was not using those players to the best of their ability. It makes you wonder where we would be at if GW had been coaching from the start of the year? Its clear we need to bring in a coach that would keep this style of play going.
by Kazper on Aug 26, 2025 11:47 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I agree with your point about GW.
That made the slew of “GW Out” signs a little frustrating to me. Rarely did we look as dynamic in 4-4-2 (and with Spencer coaching) as we have looked the past three games playing this sort of 4-3-3/4-5-1. I finally consistently feel pretty good about the line-up and formation. I think our offense is kind of liberated by not having Boyd as its primary (sometimes seemingly only) focal point. As others have pointed out, Nagbe and Zizzo are playing better than they ever have and the team looks pretty cohesive out there. GW’s decision to continue playing Horst is baffling and I don’t always like his substitution choices, but people should give him some credit—if Spencer was coaching, I bet anything it would have been Palmer instead of Alexander in for Chara during his suspension. I feel like we would be in a totally different place right now if we had been doing this since the beginning of the season.
by sneevers on Aug 26, 2025 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions
This is what pisses me off about the GWOut dudes/gals
I knew and still know this team is full of talent. It was all Spencer not using them properly. his 4-4-2 never really worked, at least consistently. The most frustrating thing for me was that he just plugged and played every game. Constant new lineups, never tried new formations.
I was excited when GW took over. I was quite interested in seeing what he would do with the team, I got flamed for it and told he sucked during the USL days and what not… I didnt care. Now look, the team plays an exciting attacking game. Our defense still suffers lapses, and that is irritating, but that was still happening under spencer, but now we have an offense that can create from the run of play.
I am excited to see who we bring in as coach and I really think we can do what Vancouver did this year, and maybe even better, and have an amazing turnaround next season.
Here is to winning the Cascadia Cup and to strong performances the rest of the year.
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by PdXBeav on Aug 26, 2025 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions
I truly think the backline will be addressed this offseason, btw.
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by PdXBeav on Aug 26, 2025 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Agree...
I still think the heart of the GWOut movement boils down to the power struggle between GW and a powerful, vocal contingent portion of the TA and that it has been under the surface for a while now - with the Perkins trade acting as the catalyst to get vocal about it again.
by twbivens on Aug 26, 2025 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions
What about Spencer
Seems like the TA has some love for him, I wonder if his firing was really the first trigger.
Perkins didn’t help for sure. Still don’t like that move. Just alienates so many fans that loved Troy (my wife included, who was really bummed about it).
by SEDave on Aug 27, 2025 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions
a couple things
i think its important to make sure the things we are seeing are used for the proper arguments. the gwout stuff largely refers to his role as a general manager not as coach. the team’s recent improvement on the field is a reflection of his coaching, not his general managing. all the last 2-3 weeks tells us is the is that gavin is a better coach than spencer, not that he is a proficient gm. we look a hell of a lot better with his two dp signings not on the field. in mls you only get a couple of them and if you screw up the dp slots it can hold your team back and its essentially a waste of resources. these last 2-3 weeks reinforce gavin’s suckiness as a GM, not highlight his effectiveness. his recent coaching highlights show us spencer was a crappy coach, not that he is a great GM.
also, im not sure i understand the “wow, did you see our midfield without chara, we looked great, we would be even better with him” line of reasoning. this makes no sense to me. the passing and fluidity of the game last night were directly caused by diego not being on the field. im not sure why ryan wants to see a nagbe, alexander, chara midfield. dont we already know what that will look like? alexander and nagbe struggling to maintain passing flow while diego plays square balls, or his passes go out of bounds or to the other team and then he fouls the other team in frustration. after last night’s game, i dont understand how anyone would come to the conclusion that they want to see more of chara. it seems counterintuitive to me.
i am officially a dike fan. wonder how we integrate KAH into this thing?
by #1 Leverage Fan on Aug 26, 2025 8:24 PM PDT reply actions
the team’s recent improvement on the field is a reflection of his coaching, not his general managing
But the team he put together is now playing radically better soccer. Doesn’t that kind of indicate that maybe this team is not as cobbled together and mismatched as many people have been thinking? It seems to me that with some smarter coaching decisions, we actually have a pretty talented team. There are some holes, sure, but also some great players who have recently been playing pretty good, dynamic soccer.
by sneevers on Aug 26, 2025 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions
I agree
GW is showing that not only is he a better coach than Spencer, but that his moves actually arent bad at all. I will only pin one DP to GW and that is Chara. To try and say GW is responsible for Boyd being here is a lie at best.
All GW has done is to get spencer the players Spencer said he needed. Spencer sucked with them and now GW is showing it isnt the mix of players fault, it is using the to their strengths.
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by PdXBeav on Aug 26, 2025 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions
Porter
It’s Porter influenced. It has to be.
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by yepyou'reright on Aug 26, 2025 10:54 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
It may be.
And if anything that further supports my point. Leverage was making the point that the anti-GW stuff mostly refers to his job as a GM. If this line-up/formation is Porter-influenced, it shows that a decent coach can do good things with the roster GW assembled. So maybe he isn’t so awful as a GM.
by sneevers on Aug 26, 2025 10:59 PM PDT up reply actions
Porter influenced means GW is doing his job...
Any good GM should try to hire a smart coach and give him the reins. Obviously, GW takes the blame for hiring Spencer - turned out to be a mistake.
Hopefully Porter (or whoever the new coach is) is a much better fit, and if GW is smart he is already leveraging the smarts that coach can bring.
by twbivens on Aug 26, 2025 11:33 PM PDT up reply actions
no, like i said
it indicates he’s a better coach than spencer. both his key acquisitions, boyd and chara, were on the bench and imo should be for some time. that shows an inability to rate players and determine if they will or will not fit into our team.
by #1 Leverage Fan on Aug 27, 2025 8:05 AM PDT up reply actions
Boyd was his key acquisition?
Come on man, I think we’d be kidding ourselves to pretend it wasn’t Spencer who took the lead in bringing him here. And you’re not going to convince a lot of people around here that Chara was a bad choice. I’ll say it again, he put this team together. With some decent coaching, they’re playing well now. I think that indicates that he is a) a better coach than Spencer, but also b) not as bad a GM as everyone’s been saying. Not great, obviously, but not too bad.
by sneevers on Aug 27, 2025 8:56 AM PDT up reply actions
yes
a 1.6 million contract for a high profile dp. his job is not to rubber stamp or “make happen” whatever moves the coach wants. he’s supposed to evaluate the players the coach wants and determine if it makes sense or not. its just as much his move as it is spencer’s.
i know i’m going against popular sentiment on the chara thing, im not really trying to convince anyone just say what im seeing. the evidence is there, but, yes, the “crush” the fanbase has on him makes it more difficult to have a pro-con discussion about his fit.
by #1 Leverage Fan on Aug 27, 2025 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I don't believe at all
that Boyd would be here if it weren’t for Spencer and Paulson getting excited about him. I don’t blame GW for that one bit.
by sneevers on Aug 27, 2025 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions
So your entire argument that GW is a bad GM is that he brought Boyd here (let’s be honest the team played just as well at NYC than they did on Sat. night, and that was with Chara)? Seems kind of flimsy.
I agree with others, the fact that we’re now seeing much improved play and a competitive team is DIRECTLY a result of GW’s GM abilities. Just goes to show the coaching seems to have been the issue, not the players.
by SEDave on Aug 27, 2025 9:29 AM PDT up reply actions
Boyd was acquired
to try and give Spencer’s 4-4-2 system a chance to work. I give him and MP some credit for giving Spencer the chance at succeeding. It just wasn’t happening. I think GW had wanted a 4-5-1 possession style game, and that Spencer preferred a flat 4-4-2, but eventually agreed to try a 4-4-2 diamond to make our midfielders fit. And it just didn’t work with our midfielders.
Your second DP failure claim, Chara, is just something we disagree on.
And I think Valencia is going to work well with the new system. Him and Dike will be all we need in the forward role. Oh, yeah, he acquired Dike in the USL era.
by Kracken2011 on Aug 27, 2025 11:15 AM PDT up reply actions
To play strike partner to Boyd
Again, another move to try and make Spenny’s system work one last time. And I’m just guessing based on the moves made and changes subsequent to Spencer’s departure. I don’t think Mwanga will play alone up top well, he seems to be more of a withdrawn striker that benefits with another striker farther up. It was hard to tell how he does alone in the short time he had up there Saturday.
But I’m guessing they will try and move him as well, but maybe off season once Valencia is up and rolling.
by Kracken2011 on Aug 27, 2025 12:34 PM PDT up reply actions
if that's true
(and it makes sense) then I feel bad for him.
by Withdrawn Striker on Aug 27, 2025 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions
serious question
Put Chara in Jewsbury’s place last night—do we do better, worse, or the same?
My thought has always been that Chara PLUS Jack in central mid stifles the offense.
by Withdrawn Striker on Aug 26, 2025 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm tempted to say better
but I feel like Jack is looking pretty good lately. I don’t think he deserves to be on the bench right now. I’m not sure how to reconcile that with the fact that I think Chara is one of our better and more consistent players, but I also think they clog up the midfield when they play together.
by sneevers on Aug 26, 2025 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Seems like there is a lot of this going around.
I am right there with you.
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by William Conwell on Aug 27, 2025 12:12 AM PDT up reply actions
I've said this a few times over
That Chara might be one of our best players that might not fit into our system here longer-term. He’s a total machine in the midfield as far as blowing up plays goes, but he can also blow up some attack on our own end as he cannot shoot and many of his passes don’t seem to connect. I think he can really be a stellar player, and I don’t think it’s fair to say we’re consistently better without him…but it’s interesting to note how well we’ve played without him on occasion. I think he’d be less exposed as a player with a true box-to-box midfield partner, but in a 4-3-3 I’m not sure he’s going to get that. Still, this is a good problem to be having. These are the problems you WANT to have. We have talented players; putting them in successful positions is what you have a manager for.
Alexander now has 6 assists despite playing consistently less than many of the other folks who have that tally in MLS. His assists never seem to be directly to goals, but rather the pass that leads to the assist. If he can bring that kind of effort consistently, and show the same defensive determination to get 8 passes disrupted every match, he will get harder and harder to take off the pitch.
by Chill503 on Aug 27, 2025 8:30 AM PDT up reply actions
im not sure how
anyone can say we’d be better with chara in jack’s place. that’s the best our midfiled has looked in a long time, a lot of it had to do with dike, but a lot of it had to do with 3 CM’s that can get into mix offensively and pass accurately and quickly.
lets look at the evidence here. the first half of last season jack was playing at “all-star level” DM. then we pay two million for chara, who was originally advertised as on offensive playmaker type central midfielder. jack’s play almost immediately dropped off and they’re never able to get a midfield partnership going. chara’s play for his time here, while has shown intermittent signs of good play, has largely been mired in unforced giveaways and routine careless fouling, stymying the flow our attack and the games as a whole. then, with him out our central midfield has a breakout game with fluid passing and consistent pressure in the attacking third. it was actually a fun game to watch.
by #1 Leverage Fan on Aug 27, 2025 8:01 AM PDT up reply actions
A few points
First, I think Chara was advertised as a box-to-box center mid, and he looked like it last year with a couple goals and a couple assists. I don’t think it was false advertising so much as just that Chara’s style has changed. That happens. Second, I don’t think Jack’s play dropped off immediately after we got Chara (that came later in the season) and in any case it’s a logical fallacy to suggest that Jack’s play dropping off was necessarily caused by Chara’s arrival. And third, Jack was suspended for yellow card accumulation when we beat LA last year. Chara was suspended during a couple big wins this year. I think this supports Withdrawn Striker’s idea that the problem is that the two of them together clog up the midfield. We are better when one of them is missing, not just when Chara is missing. And I actually thought the midfield looked pretty good in Toronto and in NY with both Jack and Chara.
by sneevers on Aug 27, 2025 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions
A few points.
First, I think Chara was advertised as a box-to-box center mid, and he looked like it last year with a couple goals and a couple assists. I don’t think it was false advertising so much as just that Chara’s style has changed. That happens. Second, I don’t think Jack’s play dropped off immediately after we got Chara (that came later in the season) and in any case it’s a logical fallacy to suggest that Jack’s play dropping off was necessarily caused by Chara’s arrival. And third, Jack was suspended for yellow card accumulation when we beat LA last year. Chara was suspended during a couple big wins this year. I think this supports Withdrawn Striker’s idea that the problem is that the two of them together clog up the midfield. We are better when one of them is missing, not just when Chara is missing. And I actually thought the midfield looked pretty good in Toronto and in NY with both Jack and Chara.
by sneevers on Aug 27, 2025 9:17 AM PDT reply actions
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