Portland Timbers Training Quotes and Notes: Talking Tickets and Dropping Hints Edition
After a busy weekend that saw both the Timbers first team and reserves play at Jeld-Wen Field, the Timbers held a short practice session at their Beaverton training facility this morning. With all the furor around the possible announcement of a new head coach this week and this morning's announcement about the lack of a raise in season ticket prices, team owner Merritt Paulson was at practice and spoke to the press despite being in obvious discomfort due to a herniated disc.
"Certainly after a year last year where we kept 80% of the prices the same it was our expectation going in to this year to have some moderate bump but as I said in the release, at the end of the day it just didn't feel right." Paulson said before touching on the state of the team. "In a year when we have clearly underperformed our own expectations and our supporters expectations and sitting at a point in time, which is hopefully not going to last, where we are last in the west right now when we need to announce this, to me and to all of our folks, we felt like it was better to hold the prices."
Of course the second question asked was about the coaching search and although he was cagey with his answers, Paulson did give out a few details. The new coach will, probably, be named tomorrow, confirming what he told Ryan earlier in the week. He also stated that he had spoken with Bob Bradley and Jurgen Klinsmann in the course of the Timbers' search for a new coach.
More notes on the new coach, practice, and full quotes from Merritt Paulson and Gavin Wilkinson after the jump.
After practice Gavin Wilkinson also dropped some hints about the team's new coach as well. Wilkinson described the new coach as "an up and coming coach that has the potential to be one of the best in the league." Wilkinson also mentioned that the team was looking for a coach that was "cerebral".
Practice itself was short, with nobody missing due to injury. Jose Adolfo Valencia was still training with the team and seems to be lasting longer and longer into the warm ups before breaking off to work individually with the team's trainers.
Kalif Alhassan, who was working on returning to fitness last week, fully participated in today's practice an looked to be playing a central role in the short field games that the team played for most of practice.
Trialist Pablo Di Fiori and practice player Cam Vickers were both with the team in training as well.
Quotes
Merritt Paulson
On the decision to not increase season ticket prices
Certainly after a year last year where we kept 80% of the prices the same it was our expectation going in to this year to have some moderate bump but as I said in the release, at the end of the day it just didn't feel right.I think that we are in a unique position, when you look at the demand we have. I mean, heck, we have had over 14,000 people show up to a reserve game on Sunday.
This is not a typical market and I think that what doesn't get talked about is that our average ticket price, we didn't come out of the game overly aggressive there either. We are still in the lower half of average MLS ticket prices, so there is no question that we could have renewed at a very high rate with a bump, but I think the right thing is really the long term relationship here.
In a year when we have clearly underperformed our own expectations and our supporters expectations and sitting at a point in time, which is hopefully not going to last, where we are last in the west right now when we need to announce this, to me and to all of our folks, we felt like it was better to hold the prices.
On if he has rethought how he sets expectations for the club
Publicly, yeah. Not internally. We are always going to have expectations. Do I think that we should have been as vocal about getting into the playoffs in year two and contending for an MLS Cup in year three when we've got the second youngest team in the league? Those are very good expectations to have and other teams have shown that you can come into this league and be successful, but that said I think that conditioning the market publicly has a certain downside to it. That is something in retrospect that I think we will be a little bit more careful about going forward.
On the coaching search
There should be an announcement very shortly. So I would expect something this week. It is something that we are very excited about, something that we put a lot of work into. I am thrilled with the guy that we've got and I am looking forward to announcing that hopefully this week.
I am not going to comment beyond what I just said.
On the recent leaks about the coaching search
I am actually surprised at all the leaks, right or wrong, that happened this week. We've talked to quite a few coaches. There are a lot of excellent candidates out there and none of them have leaked. Even the reports of who we've talked to, some of them have not been accurate. I think we wanted to be fairly private with it and there are certain advantages there.
A lot of work has gone into it. Gavin has been burning the candle at both ends between his first responsibility to the team, doing the GM job, and the coach search job. I've been heavily involved in the coach search, as have our other assistant coaches as well and this has been a lot of in person interviews, I've watched games with coaches, I've talked to people like Jurgen Klinsmann, Bob Bradley, all sorts of people around the league.
I certainly feel a lot better prepared for the coach search at this point with going through what we've gone through with making a change and I am very optimistic that we have got this one right.
On if Gavin Wilkinson will finish out the season as the interim head coach
Yeah. There is no way I am going to put in a new head coach with this few games to play. That would just be disruptive.
If the reports of Caleb Porter being the new head coach are correct
No comment. I think that a bunch of guys have run that with no confirmation from any source, certainly from the Portland Timbers. You are not going to have to wait long, I don't think.
On when the new coach would arrive in Portland
If I answered that question I might be a little bit leading. We will be clear with that tomorrow. It is Labor Day week, guys. I don't want to announce stuff Thursday or Friday when people are taking off for the holidays, so I think hopefully we will have something out sooner rather than later.
Gavin Wilkinson
On today's practice
It was good. It was light-hearted. The players had a regen session Sunday for the starters, yesterday off, and were just getting their feet back under them.
On breaking the team's winless streak
I think that everyone is just a little bit relieved. I think it has been a long time coming, to be honest. There have been some positive building blocks and that has been the result of the players putting a lot of hard work and doing what is asked of them.
On ending the search for a new coach
I think I have said from day one that this is not a position that I want to be in but I will be in it until the end of the year and we will keep managing. We will get hte most out of the players and we will keep looking at the players and at what pieces we need to move forward, but to be able to bring on a head coach and to be able to start having them look at the organization as well is a big relief.
On the new coach
Just an up and coming coach that has the potential to be one of the best in the league. I think that once you start looking at what we were looking for in a head coach, somebody that was cerebral, somebody that would process a game, somebody that would also develop the younger players, I think that this coach gives us everything we need.
On how long the new coach has been targeted
I would say that it has been definitely in the last seven days when the list has been narrowed down. It was quite an extensive list. There were a lot of views a lot of conversations took place. We had a lot of people here in Portland and we went and saw one or two of them as well in their environment as well. It has been a long process and to get to this stage this early is tremendous for the organization.
On if the candidate has MLS experience
Dealing with MLS players, dealing with international players, dealing with good up and coming players, I think that fits the bill nicely.
On how the new coach will be integrated into the team
I will remain as head coach through the remainder of the season and we will look to bring them onboard in December.
On preparing to play the Colorado Rapids twice in a row
Colorado is a team that we have not faired well against. They are coming off a bad result for them and we are coming off a positive one. We will have to lift our game again. We have got to start to get wins back to back, consecutive wins, and we have to keep looking to develop this group. I think we've played some good football, but now it is can we play good football and get wins on a regular basis.
Colorado is a team that I think we can expose in various areas and we need to look to go after them. We need to look to play with the same passion that we played with against Vancouver and then hopefully bring the confidence of that game in to Colorado.
On being the center of attention for the last few weeks
With me taking the full blast of it, as such, I think it has been healthy for the players. The players have been able to relax and play. If you are in my situation and you are trying to maintain a healthy locker room, a comraderie in the locker room, I think it has worked out great for them.
It is part of the job, I understand that. I have always said that we have different ways of expressing themselves and people, when they don't have all the information, jump to conclusions and maybe that has been the case but the players have done very well. I'll put it back on the players and for them, if we can continue to do well hopefully the environment will continue to change. Having a head coach announced is also a positive because now these players can identify with who is going to be in charge next year and look to improve for that individual. It raises the level of accountability.
On how the players and coach can get to know each other when he is not going to take over until December
It is a small world with social media, with games and how you can view them, with the stats that you can get form games now these days. Every bit of information that we have up to this date and every bit of information we will get from now until the end of the season will be exposed and the head coach that is coming in will have access to all of that.
On the possibility of the field being widened
Yes, there are motions in place to widen the field for next year. We are looking at, I believe, two yards on each side.
On the decision to widen the pitch
I think it is something that would be a natural development for us as a team. I think that as an expansion team we wanted a tight area in which to play to feed off of the emotion and also until we had the pieces on board. Not allowing too much space to play in was a positive for us and now we are trying to increase the size of the field, giving some of our players more space in which to play. We are also going to continue to be a very athletic team and to maximize the space on the field would benefit us.
On if the new coach had any influence on the widening of the field
No. It was in place well before that.
This is a philosophical decision from the organization about the way in which we want to be recognized and the way in which we want to play and also the way in which we want the game to develop in Portland.
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Reading into Gavin's comments...
I think that once you start looking at what we were looking for in a head coach, somebody that was cerebral, somebody that would process a game, somebody that would also develop the younger players, I think that this coach gives us everything we need.
Is it me, or does that sentence do a great job of describing everything John Spencer was not?
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by Andrew Wheeler on Aug 28, 2025 1:49 PM PDT reply actions
Exactly
This coach seems to be the polar opposite of John Spencer.
Managing Editor at Stumptown Footy the Portland Timbers SBN blog.
by Ryan Gates on Aug 28, 2025 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions
No. More. Tracksuits.
Honestly. If he’s the polar opposite of John Spencer, he needs to dress like it, too. No more freaking sweatsuits on the sideline. We demand skinny jeans and ironic t-shirts from our coaching staff!
by Scoey on Aug 28, 2025 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
both?
and a trucker hat?
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by Andrew Wheeler on Aug 28, 2025 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions
would it be too much to ask
for a small tattoo and a tasteful piercing?
by snizz on Aug 28, 2025 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Strangely feminine shoes and chinos rolled up to his knees...
…but he can’t shave…ever!!
#RCTID
by FNTM on Aug 28, 2025 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions
Must look homeless
and wear Nadal style capris. Make sure your shirt would have fit you when you were 12 and please, only drink crappy Stumptown coffee that has obviously been on the burner for 2 plus hours with the dial turned to 11 because it’s “local and sustainable”.
by ForeverPTFC on Aug 28, 2025 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Stumptown?
Soooooooo 2009. If he’s not drinking his own hair-dryer-roasted organic beans from Papua New Guinea, he’s nothing.
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by Andrew Wheeler on Aug 28, 2025 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Haha, and another thing
when is it cool to go to those green beans stores? The stuff sucks! It’s like saying, “I grow my own fruit and veggies and ONLY cook with them.” Great! But you have a shitty yield and the stuff is watery and tastes mealy. Sorry, I’m headed to the store. We are the UNITED States of America, not just Cascadia, though foodies would have you take a completely different turn.
by ForeverPTFC on Aug 28, 2025 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Oooooh...
if I go much further with this, I’m definitely going to out myself as a foodie hipster coffee snob. Sorry.
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by Andrew Wheeler on Aug 28, 2025 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Note to self
Return the $50 McDonald’s gift card purchased for Andrew as a thank you for his STF work.
by pdb on Aug 29, 2025 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
another interesting quote from Gavin...
Dealing with MLS players, dealing with international players, dealing with good up and coming players, I think that fits the bill nicely.
I may be missing someone but I believe Porter is the only name that satisfies these requirements (specifically the international players part). Any current MLS coach couldn’t be announced as our coach until after the season so that leaves coaches from the lower leagues or those that are currently unemployed, as far as I can tell.
by doozdooz on Aug 28, 2025 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Reyna, too
Claudio Reyna’s name was mentioned in a recent Goff tweet. He checks all those boxes, too.
by Scoey on Aug 28, 2025 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions
ah thanks...
I had a feeling that I was missing someone.
by doozdooz on Aug 28, 2025 2:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Ramos as well, right?
Hang on everyone, we're "Red Hot and Rollin'" again!
by ORcoastAK on Aug 28, 2025 9:03 PM PDT up reply actions
Coach will take over in December
College soccer ends in December…
by almostawesome on Aug 28, 2025 2:35 PM PDT reply actions
interesting...
may be un-related though, as that’s when the MLS season ends as well, though ours will be over before that.
by doozdooz on Aug 28, 2025 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Touchlines
It’s going to be pretty tough to see the touchline on the west side from the west stands if they are 6 feet closer to the wall. And the entire Northwest and northeast corners are not going to be able to see the corners taken.
by sagcat on Aug 28, 2025 2:39 PM PDT reply actions
a worthy trade-off, though
From where I sit now in 120, I can’t really see a guy taking a corner kick in the northwest corner. I don’t think I’m missing much. I’d rather have a wider pitch with a few areas where I can’t see than the narrow one we have now.
by Scoey on Aug 28, 2025 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed
there will be a downside, but it will be minimal.
by TimberGreen on Aug 28, 2025 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Its already hard enough to see the corners from areas of the TA, no biggie.
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by PdXBeav on Aug 28, 2025 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
Well said, GW
It is part of the job, I understand that. I have always said that we have different ways of expressing themselves and people, when they don’t have all the information, jump to conclusions and maybe that has been the case but the players have done very well.
To say that, perhaps, the GWOut crowd may have jumped to conclusions and possibly not had all of the information is the understatement of the year. Love him or hate him, the past couple of weeks, GW and the front office have clearly showed they have a vision and direction for this club and are doing the sorts of things that fans should be very happy about concerning the future of this club.
I’m obviously an apologist, but it’s been such a whine-fest this past month that hopefully next time things get a little rocky, people will give it more than 45 seconds before plummeting off the ledge.
by twbivens on Aug 28, 2025 3:37 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
I am tired of this debate
but I’m also tired of this argument, so for the last time:
The people who are most vocal about GWOut are the fans who know him the best: they’re the fans who have followed the team the longest, they’re the ones who paid attention to this team when most of the city didn’t gaf about soccer, they’re the ones who have spoken to former players, they’re the fan representatives that worked with him face-to-face to win concessions that are largely taken for granted now. On the other hand, the apologists have run mostly on optimism and good feelings. This is an arc that extends farther back than his work over “the past couple of weeks”.
Whether or not you support GWOut is entirely your prerogative, but it’s either disingenuous or simply ignorant to claim that history and experience is on your side of the conclusion jumping.
by Daaaaave on Aug 28, 2025 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions
There are two general buckets of GWOut support
Bucket A – the long, long time fans you mention
Bucket B – the “titanic is sinking, we’re rudderless” knee jerk reaction fans
The bucket B group has been most annoying around here, b/c it was constant “sky is falling” immediately after Perkins trade (and Chabala trade, amazingly).
The bucket A group doesn’t hang around here much, but this group is GWOut no matter what happens on the field… which I’ve maintained around here for weeks. Bucket A is annoyed with GW over power and politics, going back to the SlidePassRule post from several weeks ago that outlined it.
In short, you’re right – the debate is getting old. Though, I think your statement of “the apologists have run mostly on optimism and good feelings” is equally ignorant and disingenuous. I’ve been a season ticket holder since ‘08 and it is not “good feelings” as to why I’ve been staunchly anti-GWOut. No GM is perfect, but I like what GW has built in the MLS era. John Spencer hiring aside, he’s done a lot of good things and this new coaching hire may be the best yet – we’ll see.
by twbivens on Aug 28, 2025 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
assistant coach
Has been very vocal, brought on to help with younger players, now has mls and international coaching experience.. does anyone think it could have been a working interview? Other than the fact it was said that just seven days ago they found this person … Ionno .. fuck! I hate this stuffs .. just tell us
RCTID
by Mammothpdx on Aug 28, 2025 4:31 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
They said quite specifically
That Sean is/was not a candidate. Also think they said he will be back next year as an assistant, which seems odd.
by smorris793 on Aug 28, 2025 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions
serious question
for Daaaave and other anti-GWs. Do you think Wilkinson can learn from his mistakes and improve as a GM?
by Withdrawn Striker on Aug 28, 2025 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm not anti-GW...
but I’d imagine the answer is no. I’m not a particularly pro-gavin either.
I moved here in 2009 and, as a life-long soccer player/fan, I immediately fell in the love the team. I think that I’ve done a good job of studying the club’s past and history behind a lot of the transgressions to which the anti-GW group point.
I’d love to see MP get a much more proven and progressive technical director/GM but I’m skeptical that we could attract a realistic, clear upgrade at this point. I don’t want to see GW out for the sake of it. While I don’t agree with everything he’s done, both as a coach and a GM, I do like the style of play we’ve used these last few games. I’m afraid that sacking Gavin without considerable planning is a mistake and would further the instability we’ve come to know all to well.
That’s my position on it, not that anyone really cares.
by doozdooz on Aug 28, 2025 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions
Tough question
Sorry to deflect but I think I have to qualify my answer a little bit. Here are some problems without a simple answer.
Can he learn? Obviously I don’t think he’s incapable of learning, but thusfar he’s never been in the position where he was solely held responsible for his errors and that’s a poor environment for honest reflection. I think he honestly believes that he’s just been unlucky and everything from Valencia’s full physical after signing to Gilbert’s incomplete background check to misfires on everyone from Totori to Umony wasn’t his fault. That’s not, for me, the right mindset for real introspection.
Can he improve? Again, I have no doubt but that practice would eventually make some semblance of perfect. But, if you’ve been around the team like I have and you think the difference between 2007/09 and 2008/10 wasn’t much because the philosophy was “grab the best players you can find and hope they gel into a squad”, then I think you’d figure that at this point his development curve is a lot more shallow than you’d wish for someone starting with as little experience as he has.
So, yes he can learn and yes he can improve. But no, he learns by trial and error instead of by wisdom and he improves too slowly to be good enough to wait for.
Additionally, there is a maddening opacity as to what he actually provides this club. Is he a talent evaluator? A numbers guy? A big umbrella visionary? He has alternately claimed all of these but also shifted them onto others when the mood struck or the heat was coming. At maximum responsibility, we cannot wait for Gavin to eventually figure out what it takes to be successful at this level. He should either hone his skills in the lower divisions or follow his first management calling and take a post working directly (solely) with the academies. At minimum responsibility, that is to say he merely works out contract details and manages the cap, then his “expertise” as former player/manager is completely superfluous and we’d be better off putting a lawyer/accountant in charge where good bookkeeping might net us enough extra cash to improve the squad.
And not to stick the knife in further, especially since I just put up a fanpost on this, but specifically on the matter of player recruitment/evaluation, we’ve had more mystery trialists plucked from obscurity and returned to obscurity than I could possibly remember. I think even the most ardent Gavin-loyalists let out an audible groan when it was learned that Mike Chabala was to be replaced by a New Zealander. When you poke behind the scenes, you see the same regions pop up over and over, the same agents pop up over and over, the same facilitators pop up over and over. There’s returning to the well, and then there’s this, which is something like drawing water from a muddy trench. This reliance on agent friends and leftover connections already made by other teams was part and parcel of the USL experience. I’ve seen no material change to this MO since we joined MLS.
I guess the reflexive question would be: if you’ve followed the team since 2007, how would you say Gavin has grown as a GM since then?
by Daaaaave on Aug 28, 2025 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
well said...
FWIW, using agents/facilitators is a common practice in world football. His reliance of a predictable few is the issue. I wonder what it takes to build these relationships. I could see it difficult from the relative obscurity of a lower league but as an MLS team, you think that Gavin would get approached by new agents constantly.
by doozdooz on Aug 28, 2025 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions
It burns a little
when you see Columbus exercising that Argentinean connection. Altho Colombians have a decent track record in MLS and I like Chara and the looks of Valencia, something about Argentinian playmakers makes me jealous.
by Kracken2011 on Aug 29, 2025 10:06 AM PDT up reply actions
I'm new
as of the beginning of 2011. But so far, I’ve watched long-time fans criticize new fans on Facebook, saying they’re essentially nothing if they weren’t Timbers fans before MLS. I’ve watched people FREAK when MP asks their opinion on something, as if the change he’s considering is a foregone conclusion. Why should I think the #GWOut crowd is any more rational?
While I do appreciate some TA folks, and some of the things about the supporters club as a whole (and have even enjoyed participating when I can), I’m going to have to stick with my tendency to base my opinions less on the signs being waved at games, and more on the footballing philosophy I’d like to see this team embrace (attacking, attractive play, focus on young-player development). I’ve seen more of that in the last few weeks than the previous 1.5 years, so my thought is, we’ve finally got a good thing going! Why would we make a change?
by TimberGreen on Aug 28, 2025 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
I have had some of the same problems of the "OG" TA.
I get it, they started it, without them it wouldn’t have gotten to where it is today. I appreciate what was done to get to where we are and all the tradition that has come with it.
But, the original TA, or Cascade Rangers, came about with the rebirth of the franchise in 2001. We all know the Timbers have been around much longer than that going back to the NASL days. A lot of the TA either weren’t alive or were too young to go/afford to go to games back then.
So I ask, why is it so necessary for the old TA to have so much angst towards the “newer” TA? In 2001 I was a freshman in High School. Couldn’t drive. Loved baseball. My sister knew the coach of the beavers and ended up getting a job at PGE Park. I got to go help out prior to the stadium opening and do some behind the scenes work. It was cool.
I would get to go to games on non-school nights when with the sis, both baseball and soccer, while she worked. She only worked there the one year, graduated High School and went off to college. That same year, the rest of our family moved to the east coast.
I come back to Oregon for college at OSU. Didn’t graduate until 2010, too late for the 2010 Timbers season. So, I buy 2011 Season tix, first year in MLS.
Now I am a newbie by OG TA status and am somehow now in the group whose opinion doesnt matter because I wasnt able to follow the team since ’01.
I say bulls**t. The OG can think what they want, and try to make everyone else think how they want them to think. As far as traditions and fan-culture, I am willing to listen and play along. But when it comes to forming opinions on the on the field actions, and front office actions, I do not need to be told by the OG’s how to form my opinion, or what my opinion is.
Daaaave, I have seen you post for many years on the SCUSA forums and, while this may seem unfair, you always appear to have a condescending attitude, especially towards the newer fans the last 2 years. It is quite irritating and disgusting actually. It seems to be quite the common trend amongst the OG’s in what is supposed to be a family like culture. But what ever.
We all are here to support the Timbers. Doesnt matter if you jumped in after the Vancouver game last weekend, or in the ’70’s. We all have one common goal for the team on the pitch and we all share a common interest in supporting our city.
To truly unite as one means that the wall between the old fans and the new needs to be dropped and all references towards “well if you have followed the team for as long as we have you would know…” need to stop.
I am not going to think one way just because the OG’s or the “leaders” of the Army want me to. That is just dumb and I think truly goes against everything the TA says it stands for.
Rose City 'til I Die! Beaver Nation
by PdXBeav on Aug 28, 2025 9:59 PM PDT up reply actions 6 recs
Seniority doesn’t make one a better fan of a team. If new fans are frowned upon, unnecessary and/or unwanted, maybe the OG TA should petition to go back to the USL.
Also, the GWout signs and shirts and comments in the TA section last weekend truly disgusted me and have no place in the shed. Truly wasn’t supporting all things Timbers and Portland. How were those signs a constructive way of supporting our team as they tried to beat a cascadia rival?
Rose City 'til I Die! Beaver Nation
by PdXBeav on Aug 28, 2025 10:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I rec'd your post and Daaaaaave's above
Because both were well reasoned, passionate fan response.
But what the GWout folks did in the TA was classy protest. Raise the two sticks for a minute or two and then cheer the team. Rickets (forgive my spelling) was cheered loudly and so were the rest of the boys. Nothing more, nothing less. I expected something closer to CalFC and frankly I think the way the TA handled their protest had something to do with season ticket price freezes…just a thought.
And take plenty of tissue paper so they can dry their eyes after the game.
by ledjom on Aug 28, 2025 10:29 PM PDT up reply actions
What does any of this have to do with the job GW has done?
And when did Daaaaave insult you personally, like you just did him? No, so-called condescending Internet comments that you disagree with do not count because those go with the territory.
Some of you might be confusing whatever issues you have with the TA with an objective evaluation of GW. You may think the GW Out crowd irrational, but at least they’re basing it on years of observance and track record. To state that is not an insult to “noobs”.
These threads need to be about the team and whether it’s being led by qualified people, not a faux indictment of Daaaaave or OG TA.
I am the Mystery Midfielder
by yepyou'reright on Aug 28, 2025 10:59 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
I concur
but didn’t want to take the time to put it all down in text. +1 for reading my mind
by Pandora Bacchus on Aug 29, 2025 12:11 AM PDT up reply actions
The attitude of the "OG" (so to speak) towards new fans and the owner
is directly related to the credibility I give them in shaping my opinions of GW’s job performance. It also shapes my opinions on which side I see as being the bigger instigator of tensions that may exist.
But I do see some validity in some of Daaaaave’s points—-he’s approached it from a fairly analytically perspective and I do appreciate that.
I WILL SAY that regardless of who is the bigger instigator of tensions, I also see passionate supporters clubs as distrusting of power by their very nature. So if there is going to be a good relationship between the two sides, the team execs have to be the ones that keep their cool and dogmatically fight for that, even as fans criticize them. I don’t think GW is very good at that. MP IS pretty good at that, except when he lets his emotions get the better of him via Twitter.
by TimberGreen on Aug 29, 2025 10:20 AM PDT up reply actions
dude
i wouldnt look too much into what someone on facebook says to you, or here for that matter. if someone is claiming they’re superior to you because they’ve supported a football club a couple years longer that you then they probably dont have much going on in their own life…probably part time “work to live not live to work” baristas that dont own an automobile and are really into vampire/werewolf/zombie movies.
by #1 Leverage Fan on Aug 29, 2025 5:45 AM PDT up reply actions
For the record
Twilight didn’t do much for me but I was an extra in Mr. Holland’s Opus.
Also, I had a camp counselor who was the guy who played “Lardass” in Stand By Me.
Oh, also I have no idea who that guy is and why he has beef, but that’s pretty much par for the course.
by Daaaaave on Aug 29, 2025 8:08 AM PDT up reply actions
I have no personal beefs
with anyone, particularly on this board——this is probably the most reasonable discussion center I’ve seen associated with a sports franchise.
by TimberGreen on Aug 29, 2025 10:31 AM PDT up reply actions
Its not what has been said to me.
It is what I have seen said to others. Its not just Daaaaave that I have seen it from, either. I have no personal beef with you, Daaaaave, its just the attitudes that the older members pass off. Its the reason why I read/post here and avoid SCUSA.
It seems like there is a lot of groupthink going on in the TA. That is all, and if the groups ideals towards the events on the field/in the office arent supported, that those people are discredited and a lot of time the reasoning is because they havent been followers long enough.
Back when the whole movement to wear our hoodies to reference the Trayvon Martin case, many didnt want to do it because they didnt believe in it, and were blasted for it on the message boards for not showing unity. Something that bothered me, too. Trying to cross outside politics into support culture.
I appreciate the critical review Daaaaave has brought correlating GW’s past to the MLS, and I understand it. I don’t think he is as bad of a GM as everyone wants us to believe based on his semi-pro days with the Timbers.
Like TG said, I come here for the reasonable discussion and don’t mind being put in my place, but my thoughts above I have felt since the announcement of a jump to MLS was made. I know many OG feel that all their hard work is being mooched by the new folks. But I dont think that should be as negative a view as some make it. W/o the rise in attendance/ new fans there would be no Timbers in the MLS.
Basically, Im saying just drop all the angst. Lets just all support the team, continue on rooting the boys to victory.
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by PdXBeav on Aug 29, 2025 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions
FWIW
I’m pretty new to PDX, this is my second season as a STH in the Army. My girlfriend and I sit in 108, every game. We have never had an issue with anyone fromt he OG (except Pong but he can suck my bratwurst). I’ve talked to many folks who have been with the team a lot longer, and in fact I worried that people would learn who new I was, but I have never had an issue. Most people just want to know how I got into it (especially since every other team I follow is from NY).
Anyway, I think it is less an OG/NG thing and more a That-guy-is a dick-and-happens-to-have-been-here-a-long-time-and-feels-entitled thing.
And by the way, we wouldn’t have a 5,000 person army without the OG, but we also wouldn’t have it without us newbies too.
by smorris793 on Aug 29, 2025 6:47 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
This is my feeling, generally.
Anyway, I think it is less an OG/NG thing and more a That-guy-is a dick-and-happens-to-have-been-here-a-long-time-and-feels-entitled thing.
In 5000 people a few of them going to be dicks. Statistically speaking.
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by William Conwell on Aug 29, 2025 9:11 AM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
This is more of it, and maybe it is just that those select dicks tend to be more vocal on the Timbers message boards also. I have also met many a old members who are quite awesome.
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by PdXBeav on Aug 29, 2025 12:56 PM PDT up reply actions
Ultimately, I'm not trying
to pin the noobs against the old guard, though I fear that’s what I have done here.
We all need to recognize our unique roles as part of ONE UNIFIED fan base, and show appreciation for each other.
My reason for stating what I did exists entirely in the realm of judging GW. There is a vocal group, probably a minority, within the TA, that is just plain mean—-a rage-against-the-machine sort towards the team execs, that happens to become it’s own elitist machine towards newer and more casual fans.
I don’t think they are going away truthfully, we probably shouldn’t want them to. We all have to tolerate extreme people at times, but there are also good and essential elements that passionate, opinionated people like this, bring to a supporters club. BUT are they mostly the ones holding the #GWOut signs? Are they a good group to consult in forming a balanced opinion about a team exec’s job performance? Probably not.
by TimberGreen on Aug 29, 2025 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions
Same feelings here.
Just because I am TA, doesnt mean I want to automatically be associated with the GWout campaign, and other major points some might hold/make that become TA general views. I guess that is really what I am trying to get at.
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by PdXBeav on Aug 29, 2025 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions
Well said...
agree 100%
I’m 107ist
Timbers Army
season ticket holder
Doesn’t mean I share the same views as everyone else in the same club.
by twbivens on Aug 29, 2025 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I also am tired of the debate.
My input: Let’s all take a deep breath and give this a chance. With any luck tomorrow is a new head coach with a vision of a possession game. And I presume he’s coming into the situation with a fresh voice and demanding some autonomy in doing his job (I can hope).
Given this, and a little credit to Gavin for doing a reasonable job over the last 45 days (I’m not going into what happened before this), I think it’s time to just chill for a while and see what they do through the end of this season and the off season.
Just my input.
by pdxsoccerdad on Aug 28, 2025 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah
“years of observance” can give some additional info on which to base your opinion, but it also can ruin objectivity as it appears to have done in this case.
The problem with dragging up GW examples from 4 or 5 years ago or whenever, is that people learn and grow and change. I know some of you can cite examples where he may not have changed in certain aspects, but all I see at the moment is I like where we are headed with style of play, new head coach. I couldn’t say that a couple months back, and I have to credit for GW and MP sucking it up and changing course. If things continue in this direction, there just aren’t current grounds for throwing GW out.
by Kracken2011 on Aug 29, 2025 9:58 AM PDT up reply actions
And the circumnstances have also changed
Obviously managing an MLS team has some pretty MAJOR differences from managing at the lower level, and some of lessons learned at the lower level may or may not be entirely relevant to the new reality.
by TimberGreen on Aug 29, 2025 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions
Subtle wording
When asked if the coach has MLS experience, GW relies that he has experience “dealing with MLS players.” Not exactly the same thing. As in experience dealing with MLS players in another context like US u-23. I suppose there are other possibilities too.
by Withdrawn Striker on Aug 28, 2025 4:43 PM PDT reply actions
that's what I took from it too...
that leaves Porter and Reyna and I doubt Reyna would leave the national team for the gig at this point. Maybe a manager from a lower league that was an assistant with an MLS team at some point? It seems unlikely that you could check off the “international” box in that scenario but it’s possible.
by doozdooz on Aug 28, 2025 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions
Confused
It’s been ‘in the last seven days that the list has been narrowed down," but the new coach was on board with the Perkins trade three weeks ago. Huh? they didn’t confer with a whole pool of potential candidates?
by Withdrawn Striker on Aug 28, 2025 4:52 PM PDT reply actions
My theory is that the "new coach approved the Perkins trade" story
is the rumor Merritt referred to above that was incorrect.
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by Andrew Wheeler on Aug 28, 2025 4:55 PM PDT up reply actions
but
I thought MP or GW stated that. Who else would start a rumor like that.
by Withdrawn Striker on Aug 28, 2025 4:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Pitch widening
has always made sense to me for a speedy team. Makes even more sense if we are moving for a fluid, possession type style. Yes?
On the other hand, it may make our fullbacks’ weak defending even more obvious.
by Withdrawn Striker on Aug 28, 2025 4:55 PM PDT reply actions
If it WAS'NT Porter
I’d think he’d have said something to that effect by now.
by TimberGreen on Aug 28, 2025 5:55 PM PDT reply actions
I'm not sure...
doesn’t it help his overall reputation to be considered a fore-runner for the position?
by doozdooz on Aug 28, 2025 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions
Only if it's actually true
though it does get his name in the headlines a bit more, which can’t hurt, I suppose.
by TimberGreen on Aug 28, 2025 8:49 PM PDT up reply actions
860AM is reporting that is indeed Porter...
@kpam860 Portland Timbers to name Caleb Porter, 37, University of Akron, new head coach tomorrow @ 10:45am
— AM 860 (@KPAM860) August 29, 2025
Jeremiah Oshan has a story up too.
Caleb Porter Will Reportedly Be Named Timbers Coach On Wednesday
by doozdooz on Aug 28, 2025 7:56 PM PDT reply actions
Has Ryan Rosenblatt posted a story
about how Porter is going to be the new coach but that the Timbers should be shot, beaten to death, and set on fire yet?
I swear, SBNation could not have picked a worse, more blatantly biased and ignorant writer to their weekly MLS write-ups. To think how weird it is that of all that stuff, with two guys from SAH on it, the guy from L.A. is the one who has the most irrational Timbers hate.
But I digress…
by vitaminx on Aug 29, 2025 12:56 AM PDT up reply actions
is it just me..
or is this quote completely counterproductive to what he is trying to do? if you’re to publicly scale back expectations, but keep them unchanged internally, it seems like its something you wouldnt want to announce? or is it just me?
“On if he has rethought how he sets expectations for the club”
Publicly, yeah. Not internally.
by #1 Leverage Fan on Aug 29, 2025 5:42 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It's official!
Porter is head coach for 2013!
http://www.portlandtimbers.com/news/2012/08/timbers-name-caleb-porter-head-coach-2013-season
by Chill503 on Aug 29, 2025 11:02 AM PDT reply actions
the Porterland Timbers?
kinda obvious, but someone has to say it.
by Withdrawn Striker on Aug 29, 2025 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
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