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Portland Timbers Training Quotes and Notes: Valencia Trains With the Team Edition

The Timbers held their first practice in Portland in more than a week today, returning from their two game road trip against Toronto and New York. It was perfect training weather at the team's Beaverton training facility as next year's designated player, Jose Adolfo Valencia, trained with the Timbers for only the second time since joining the team and the first time since undergoing surgery to repair the cartilage in his left knee.

Trencito looked at home amongst the team, keeping up fine in the early team warm-ups, before being split off from the rest of the team, along with Kalif Alhassan and Kosuke Kimura, to work with team trainer Nic Wald. Valencia continued to work with Wald for the duration of practice, primarily on agility drills, until senior members of the team left the field. With the team's other young players continuing to work out, Valencia observed form the sidelines while icing his knee.

Kimura, who received a broken nose and a slight concussion thanks to an elbow to head from Tim Cahill, was back out on the pitch for the duration of practice, having been cleared for training by the team doctors. According to Gavin Wilkinson, Kimura will continue to work out separately until Friday, when he will be able to rejoin the rest of the team. Like Troy Perkins earlier in the year, Kimura will be fitted with a mask to protect his nose for the rest of the season.

The team also saw several new arrivals today. Ian Hogg, the team's recent acquisition at left back, practiced with the team for the first time today after arriving in Portland earlier this week. Hogg looked nervous in his debut with the team, but seemed to settle in as practice went on. Although it is still early, descriptions of Hogg's level of talent as "raw" seemed spot on.

More training notes plus quotes from Wilkinson and Sal Zizzo after the jump.

Star-divide

Also newly arrived was trialist Pablo Di Fiori. Di Fiori is a Uruguayan attacking midfielder who can play on the wings, according to Wilkinson, and the team had him primarily lining up as a left winger in training today. Di Fiori, despite being listed around the internet as a forward, looked comfortable playing a splitting pass forward and took the Timbers defense apart several times with some well placed passing.

Although not a new arrival per se, Andrew Jean-Baptiste was back with the team today now that the LA Blues have concluded their season. To make room for AJB's return, left back Chris Taylor was moved to the injury reserve list as he will be out for the remained of the season after undergoing hip surgery.

Cam Vickers continued to practice with the team today, lining up just about everywhere as he continues to be the team's utility man during practice.

Quotes

Gavin Wilkinson

On if he had talked to team owner Merritt Paulson about Paulson's recent tweets

Yeah, a little bit.

On if his wife was approached by fans

Yeah, I prefer not to talk about that. Let's focus on the positives.

On how Paulson's tweeting affects him and the team

I just think that professional sports are all about winning. I can understand the level of frustration and for the owner he is a little bit closer to it. He can see the work that is going into it, how hard and how much everyone cares, so maybe he is at it from a slightly different angle than from the fans perspective.

I feel for them. I really do. I think they care just as much and it is about winning at the professional level. It is hard to see the positives and when you point out the positives out you sound like it is self defense. When I came into this position it wasn't just a simple process. We are not just trying to win. We have to address some issues and there were some changes, and there has been a little bit of progress.

On what the "positives" were that he took away from the team's road trip

How many games have we gone through in a year and a half? Over fiftey MLS games and in half of those on the road we've not scored two goals on the road then we do it back to back and that is against a team in New York that is a very good team.

We are disappointed that we didn't come away from that game with a lot more. I think that is a positive feeling, when you go one the road and you have actually put your footprint on the game and play a certain way.

On changing up the line up and keeping Boyd on the bench

I think that against New York, not just there, we do need to find out what players can produce and forwards are there to score goals. We've gone through a little bit of a dry spell and with the way that we wanted to play against New York, we wanted to be able to pressure form the front, we wanted to be able to get in behind, so we needed somebody up top who could put themselves about, who would battle for things and have the pace to get in behind. That was the reason for Bright Dike and I think it worked.

On of the things that Merritt stated when I came on board [as the interim head coach] is to find out what we've got and what our issues are and what we need to address. At the moment we are giving up goals. When you start to look at New York, I think that we have got the better of the chances, to be honest, but we are conceding goals. They are not goals that are creative goals where we've gotten ripped to pieces and where they've punished us: it is defensive lapses and errors of judgement. I've been a defender and it happens. Sometimes you go through spells like that and a lot of defending is confidence and organization and belief in the players around you. There are some areas that we do need to address and as we get closer to appointing a head coach we will start to address those.

On Sal Zizzo

[He's been] absolutely phenomenal. I think Sal has gone through a tough stretch; we left him out of the eighteen, we left him out of the starting eleven, and I think it just speaks about him as a person and as a professional. He keeps working hard and made the most of his opportunity and now I think that Sal knows that he has to keep doing that, week in and week out to keep his position. There is a player on the bench, or two players on the bench, that could hopefully do what he does, but I think that Sal has done extremely well. Two assists and a goal in when in the previous x number of games he hadn't had anything. I am happy for Sal.

On Ian Hogg

He is a little bit nervous at the moment, his touch was a little bit off, but he is a young player and we brought him in to see what he can give us going forward. I don't expect him to contribute a lot this year, to be honest, and it is a matter of getting a couple of months under our belt. We had a roster spot open under the cap number and this was an opportunity to make the most of the roster and to see what we can develop and look at moving forward.

On the difference in Bright Dike and his play since returning from loan

[He has got] more respect for the profession. That is not a dig at right in any way whatsoever. I think that sometimes you come into the professional game, you have done well, then you come back from an injury and things are not going to be handed to you. Bright could possible have worked a little bit harder but ask Bright as well.

Going away, getting his confidence back, getting a lot of games under his belt, and getting back to scoring goals. He has looked good in training and he has caused a lot of problems and that is what you want from your forwards.

On Kosuke Kimura

Kosuke will be fine for this weekend. He will be kept out of contact until Friday. He will have a mask for friday and will be cleared for the game this weekend, so that is good news. I think Kosuke had one of his better games for us as well against New York and he was doing well until he suffered the blow to the face.

On Jake Gleeson

Jake Gleeson is coming back. He's starting to feel a lot better.

On Jose Adolfo Valencia

Jose Valencia trained this morning for the first part with the guys and as we start to work with him we will start to get him a little bit more ball work.

On Kalif Alhassan

Kalif is feeling a lot better and did a lot of running today so hopefully we have him available for the weekend as well.

On the lack of an disciplinary action against Tim Cahill

I just think that the way that things are going for us right now, with the officiating and a couple of other decisions, you have just got to roll with it unfortunately. Anything else sounds like excuses and sour grapes and we are going to have to take it one the chin and move forward.

On trialist Pablo Di Fiori

He is an attacking midfielder that can play out wide. He is very good with the ball at his feet. He's a player that has been shopped to us for a little while now that just wasn't ideal with our schedule and everything else right now but here's and opportunity where we will be at home for a week and a half or two weeks and be able to have a good look at him. You will probably start to see a few more trialists start to come in towards the end of the season just seeing what they can produce. I think it is always easier to bring a trialist in to Portland rather than going and scouting them.

He will be available for the reserve game.

On Andrew Jean-Baptiste

Andrew Jean-Baptiste is back form his loan and he will be added to the group and so he will be available for the reserve game as well.

On how much attention he pays to the fans' reactions to him

You are human, you know what I mean? It is bound to have an effect at some level and I think that when you have a conviction and a belief in the rational behind why you do things in life it makes it a little bit easier. Everyone is allowed their opinion but I would much rather have fans that care. They care as much as I do. They do it by expressing it in a different way, of course.

The role of the general manager has always been to give the coach the pieces he wanted to be successful. Now I find myself in a position I never wanted to be in, but I will manage it and it means taking a few bullets until the end of the year to find out what we need to do to move forward then so be it. The role of general manager in soccer is so much different than baseball and basketball and maybe the NFL. It is a very different role and I think that maybe some people get confused with that.

On the Timbers away struggles

I think that the away form in the last two games was something you've probably not seen before, when we took the game to the opponents and we played in a certain way. Our possession numbers in Toronto were one of the highest they have been on the road and in New York we played a certain and the possession wasn't as high but the number of chances created were up there, some of the highest ones we've had on the road.

I think defending is about having a mentality and I think that away from home there has to be a lot more concentration. I think at home it is easy to keep that concentration where there is constantly fans behind you. When you are one the road and you are isolated a little bit more I think we need to mesh a little bit more, but we have got good pieces.

Again, it is always easy to point the finger at defenders, I have been there and done that. Generally there is players in front but it gets to that point for a reason and at the moment it is easy to identify one or two people. Defenders, they live and die by mistakes. A forward doesn't get punished for their mistakes and defenders to. I think that we are very happy with David Horst and [Hanyer Mosquera] and how they have been playing and by and large what we are doing. It is just a matter of tightening up in a few areas.

On how the team can come together after a long road trip

There is disappointment that we didn't win in Toronto. We thought there should have been a penalty and that it is probably one of the more obvious decisions that should have gone our way and then in New York we felt that we were a little bit hard done by through our mistakes and through not putting the ball away, and also maybe the officiating had a small part to play in that as well.

I think the guys are frustrated. They are ready to win. We need to start to win and for that to become a habit I like all the pieces: the way in which we are trying to play and the mentality of the group has been fantastic. I think that we are coming back form this road trip not trying to address issues but trying to fine tune things.

On the head coaching seach

It is going very well. We will finalize one more interview in the next week and be in a position where we will be able to make a decision. At the moment there are some candidates that had risen to the top and one that we feel would be right for the organization. We are honestly hopeful to be able to make a decision in the near future.

Sal Zizzo

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And of course

I said “haven’t often been just as bad” instead of “have often been just as bad.” Apologies.

by Chill503 on Aug 22, 2025 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well said

Now if only he could learn to not take ugly pot shots at departing players.

by skenjis on Aug 22, 2025 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also

he could have gone without telling the media that Bright wasn’t working hard enough to return from his achilles injury.

It’s like a speech impediment or Tourettes or something. Every time he talks to the media, it seems like he has to say one negative thing about one of his players. Once you get used to hearing it all the time, it just starts to sound like normal conversation.

When I write, I write for the Timbers. Contributing Editor of Stumptown Footy

by Andrew Wheeler on Aug 22, 2025 4:59 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

It is frustrating to feel like that’s par for the course with GW. We always say we want candid quotes and honesty from coaches and such, but there are certainly ways to couch things that wouldn’t make them seem like he’s saying Dike didn’t try hard enough.

Then again, maybe he wasn’t. Zizzo sure got some rightful praise, but no backhand. Maybe Dike needed that fire lit and reminded how hard it’ll be for him (or anyone) to be successful in this league. Whatever the reason, keep it up Bright! Hope we get a chance to to see him this weekend at home.

by Chill503 on Aug 22, 2025 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sometimes athletes need that kind of motivation though

If GW and the staff keep exhorting Dike to work hard in training and he keeps just coasting, and not getting the most out of training/rehab, there is nothing wrong with a little public kick in the ass to motivate him. For some athletes that’s the only thing that works sometimes.

by pdb on Aug 22, 2025 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

He said right there

that you could ask Dike. I’m sure it’s something they’ve talked about. Most athletes aren’t stupid and take criticism better than you think. Coaches are always hard on you and tell you stuff you don’t want to hear. I didn’t have a problem with this one.

It seems like what they’ve done with Dike and Zizzo is working. Flipside, I don’t think KAH is as motivated and that worries me. I see those two working their asses off trying to get into the 18 and 11 and I appreciate that. I don’t know what to make of KAH.

by PDXCharger on Aug 22, 2025 8:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

You had me up until...

You said gw is moving the team in the right direction…it is possible for the people you mention to be “babies” while gw concurrently sucking as gm.

by #1 Leverage Fan on Aug 22, 2025 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

If you can't name one thing

he’s done right then you’re just hating for hatings sake.

by PDXCharger on Aug 23, 2025 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

You shouldnt make assumptions

About what other people think so that it meshes with the preconcieved notions you have.

by #1 Leverage Fan on Aug 23, 2025 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Btw

Kalif al hassan

by #1 Leverage Fan on Aug 23, 2025 7:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well put

So, if we don’t want to be Timbers Army anymore, does that mean we already aren’t? The past few weeks have been a huge turn-off for the Timbers Army.

by haytrain on Aug 23, 2025 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Did you know?

That the TA 107ist volunteers for things like OPI which is public field restoration? They also volunteer at the Oregon Food Bank and for Harpers Playground. If you don’t know what that stuff is then do some homework.

But FO dissent is part of supporter culture too. It’s not just a happy, go lucky coed cheerleader squad. Sorry people like you can’t stomach it.

I am the Mystery Midfielder

by yepyou'reright on Aug 23, 2025 10:18 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

I understand what you're saying

But this twbivens guy above and the 6 people who rec’d his nonsense clearly have a problem with the TA and I suspect it really has little to do with GW Out stuff.

I’m also assuming that he or she doesn’t know about the TA volunteerism or sponsorship of local players. If he did, it’s unlikely he would have framed his pro-GW comment in such a fashion.

I am the Mystery Midfielder

by yepyou'reright on Aug 23, 2025 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is a team up north you can support if that's how you really feel

And before anybody jumps on me with, “You see! You see how they are?” or before the SF editors get ancy know that I’m speaking only for myself… then go back and read what twbivens wrote.

That said, you don’t need a #GWout campaign to see GWs poor record as MLS GM and now coach. His record speaks for itself. If you can’t see that by now, I doubt anything will convince you. Just like saying we’re all “morons with sore v*ginas” isn’t going to convince any GW critics either.

However, the GW Out campaign exists because our team owner and president thinks GW is God’s Gift of GM despite the repeated mediocrity, failure, and PR disaster. You might not like their style of expression, but don’t shoot the messenger.

I am the Mystery Midfielder

by yepyou'reright on Aug 23, 2025 10:13 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

6 recs for this guy?

Really? You all hate the TA that much? You’re putting Gavin Wilkinson above the TA?

Let’s try a game without the TA, see how much you like it. My guess is most of you would stop going. My guess is guys like twbivens will be the type to stop going if the losing continues.

Let’s stop the TA volunteering at Oregon Food Bank, that would do the community a lot of good. Let’s stop the TA sponsoring local youth players like Rubio Rubin, that would do local and US soccer a lot of good. As soon as any of you are doing things like that, let us know.

It’s a cliche’ worth repeating, but we’re not in MLS without the TA and you Fanboys wouldn’t have a site like this. That’s a fact.

I am the Mystery Midfielder

by yepyou'reright on Aug 23, 2025 12:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

No

Some of us dislike the GWOUTers acting like they represent the TA. So far as I can tell the TA has made no statement about GW. Agree that there are many loyal TA members who want GW gone yesterday and its a valid opinion. But, lets not make this bigger then it is.

by ukuku on Aug 23, 2025 12:07 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

There is no official TA or 107ist statement on players, coaches, etc.

It’s all individual opinion. But there are many individual TA who don’t like GW and haven’t for years.

Again, it’s guys like twbivens who are generalizing the entire TA.

I am the Mystery Midfielder

by yepyou'reright on Aug 23, 2025 12:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

And when I say "statement" I mean officially calling for a hire, dismissal, etc.

The blog posts on the TA website are the authors individual opinion.

I am the Mystery Midfielder

by yepyou'reright on Aug 23, 2025 12:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

This has been a two-way street

I think it is fair to say both sides have used a bit of hyperbole and perhaps overstated things. I think you generalize with the vague idea that the TA will just pack it in if GW stays.

I just hope we all remember that we all (including GW) want the same thing and are part of the same team. There are just differences on how to get there.

My preference is that everyone be a bit more cautious and careful with their words and are open to reconciliation. I don’t see much to respect in all or nothing opinions.

by ukuku on Aug 23, 2025 12:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

The problem is on the pitch and in the FO

Not in the terraces.

There is a lot of hyperbole with the GW Out crowd, I will agree to that. But I understand their frustration. The team is terrible and there is no sense of direction. Spencer was thrown out after 1.5 years – something I supported – but GW stays after 6 years of mediocrity or failure, not to mention his actions towards the TA years ago as detailed by Anonymous over at Slide Rule Pass. People who have been following the team for awhile should not be surprised by any of this.

Some in the TA have a unique and sometimes over-the-top style but that’s part of what makes it great IMO. It’s all a matter of personal taste I suppose.

Again, the problem is not in the terraces or what some people are tweeting.

I am the Mystery Midfielder

by yepyou'reright on Aug 23, 2025 12:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yep

We are a crap team no getting around that.

by ukuku on Aug 23, 2025 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

I appreciate the TA, I pay dues, gameday wouldn't be as good w/o them

but some members’ cries of ’we’re victims!’ as well as the consistentnly inflated self-importanceand the narratives and conspiracies from others get a little tiresome.

While it was good to get some background, I found that piece on Slide Rule Pass a little dubious.

by almostawesome on Aug 23, 2025 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

What does this have to do with anything?
It’s a cliche’ worth repeating, but we’re not in MLS without the TA and you Fanboys wouldn’t have a site like this. That’s a fact.
My guess is guys like twbivens will be the type to stop going if the losing continues.

Except for furthering the notion that there is a certain faction that continues to showcase an elitist, exclusionary, and condescending attitude to anyone who defies its groupthink.

I guess I’m a “Fanboy” (the derogatory term for anyone who dare speak in opposition to the sacred viewpoint of the vocal section of the TA), and as an official Fanboy, I couldn’t possibly have supported the team pre-MLS, and will stop supporting should the team lose or the TA tifo not keep getting bigger.

YepYou’reRight…. maybe you need to go back and read what is on the TimbersArmy.org page … let me put it right here since you obviously haven’t seen it in a while:

If you like your sports passionate instead of passive – if you’re proud of the Rose City — if you appreciate the Beautiful Game – YOU are Timbers Army. No membership, no initiation, no rules, no fuss.

You want this team to grow and to improve and truly be an unmatched experience in North American sports? Open your eyes and reign in the attitude. Include instead of exclude. Exude the TA credo rather than hide behind the elitism certain members glorify. Grow with the team, instead of fighting anything and everything that doesn’t align with groupthink’s thinking. Be the real TA. Like GW or hate him, support your team, it’s front office, and your fellow fans with respect and dignity. Like I said originally, way too many really sore v*ginas out here.

by twbivens on Aug 23, 2025 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

still with the sexist insults?

the whinging about being called a fanboy is just as annoying as the people calling others fanboys if you ask me.

Oderint Dum Metuant

by WhiteRabbit on Aug 23, 2025 4:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Don't turn it around on me, you fired the first shot in this thread

And don’t write something like that without expecting a response.

Speaking for myself…

This bit about “elitism”. I hear a lot about it but I’ve never been on the wrong end of it and I’m far from an “elite” OG TA, whatever that is. I think there is a difference between elitism and standing up for a unique culture that a person has history with and helped build. I wasn’t there in the beginning, but I respect the work those people did and I respect what it is now. If a lot of them are saying “GW Out!” it’s probably for a good reason and not just for kicks or twitter memes. The style and manner which it’s expressed is a matter of personal taste, a subjective judgement.

Can we at least agree that the GW Out crowd, like those who might disagree, want what is best for the club?

I am the Mystery Midfielder

by yepyou'reright on Aug 23, 2025 5:08 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Yes, we can agree :)
Can we at least agree that the GW Out crowd, like those who might disagree, want what is best for the club?

Agree 100%.
We are all Timbers fans. We all love this organization and want to see it succeed. Obviously, there are different opinions on the best way to create that successful product on the field.

I, too, agree that the OG TA deserve a ton of credit for the the culture created in the pre-MLS days. Protecting that culture is important – I do get it. I just don’t think that qualifies a “GW Out” stance as automatically deserving credence, though – but I digress.

With that I extend an olive branch, apologize for getting fired up, and look forward to the rise of Timbers football…. with or without GW.

by twbivens on Aug 23, 2025 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

Olive branch accepted.

I am the Mystery Midfielder

by yepyou'reright on Aug 23, 2025 5:22 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

in response to YepYou'reRight
Let’s try a game without the TA, see how much you like it. My guess is most of you would stop going. My guess is guys like twbivens will be the type to stop going if the losing continues.
But this twbivens guy above and the 6 people who rec’d his nonsense clearly have a problem with the TA and I suspect it really has little to do with GW Out stuff.

Yep, since you called out my post, I feel compelled to response.

1. Your general reaction is EXACTLY what I’m so annoyed by. I make a comment outlining my opinion about the vocal TA and a like for GW and you react like I punched you personally in the gut. Call a spade a spade. You’re telling me that stuff like isn’t just a little over the top? Have you been reading this blog since the Perkins trade? Have you noticed the drama — isn’t it just a bit ridiculous when you take a step back? It’s nothing personal, I’m just tired of the vocal portion of the TA.

2. I am TA. I pay my 107ist dues. I support the volunteer causes. I buy my TA merch. I’ve owned season tickets since ‘08. I support the TA. I just have been embarrassed lately. It’s frustrating to read each and every Timbers facebook update and see them littered with anti-GW rhetoric, even when it has nothing to do with the actual topic. If the TA truly stands behind what it says, there would be a lot less elitest groupthink — in my opinion. I can be a long standing, knowledge footy fan and part of the TA AND still be embarrassed and annoyed over the last several weeks with the actions of others.

3. Yes, my problem with the vocal TA absolutely has to do with the GWOut stuff. I also, 100% believe that the Perkins trade was an okay trade. Time will tell, but I didn’t have a problem with it as we look to build for the future. Of course, it has felt like I’m sort of a leper around TA circles for my views on that trade and the general Pro-GW stance I’ve taken.

4. It’s been a rough season. Patience.

by twbivens on Aug 23, 2025 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had not seen that.

Funny, but over the top. I still believe MP was talking to the vocal group of supporters, not the TA in general…

by SMP PDX on Aug 23, 2025 4:42 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agree as well

I agree the team is making progress and I think GW gets some credit. More possession oriented, less focus on a single forward, player mapping, and in particular playing on the road.

I’m still hopeful for the Cascadia Cup, but most important is to hire the right coach and then show willingness to move players in order to improve the team. IMHO The holes at center mid and fullbacks have been pretty obvious for way too long.

So Yes, Kudo’s for recent progress. Let’s view it as step 1 of a 3 or 4 step process and just hope we can win Cascadia AND step through the process consistently.

by pdxsoccerdad on Aug 23, 2025 8:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

According to GCA

This is Kimura’s fifth nose break!

Jag kom, jag såg, erövrade jag.

by Kejsare on Aug 22, 2025 2:54 PM PDT reply actions  

GW's wife?

I’ve been off the grid for a few days. What’s the story behind the question about GW’s wife being approached by fans?

by haytrain on Aug 23, 2025 6:29 AM PDT reply actions  

my guess...

…is that it is BS.

by Cruyff's Turn on Aug 23, 2025 6:34 AM PDT via Android app up reply actions  

MP tweeted about it.

During idiot-gate.

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by William Conwell on Aug 23, 2025 7:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Everyone would do well to bookmark this

http://www.tweetbunker.com/?action=search&username;=merrittpaulson#

It’s one of those half-secret things that makes following what the discussion was much easier.

by Chill503 on Aug 23, 2025 9:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

@DukeofEtiquette i was fired up last night but if people really believe i called the TA idiots (or think they are) i have no response

“what i see is a whole bunch of idiots”…..

he does know deleting tweets doesn’t make the the newspeak factual right?

at the very least if he can drop his wannabe Mark Cuban act then it’s for the best

Oderint Dum Metuant

by WhiteRabbit on Aug 23, 2025 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions  

If you think the connection is idiots = Timbers Army then you would be correct

If you realize that idiots is such a generic label that it could apply to anyone, then you realize MP may have not been singling out the TA as some assume.

Jag kom, jag såg, erövrade jag.

by Kejsare on Aug 23, 2025 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'm bothered by the fact that MP is bothered by what some people are tweeting

He needs to cut out the BS and get focused.

I am the Mystery Midfielder

by yepyou'reright on Aug 23, 2025 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

On one hand...

Folks want to seperate the GWOUT movement from the TA, but on the other hand when MP calls out those GWOUT folks as idiots, the TA acts like it was a total attack on the TA. Seems like folks are once again, hearing what they want to hear to support their ideas. Hypocritical to me.

The team sucks. FACT

GW is partly to blame. FACT

We need a coach. FACT

The TA brings and incredible experience to the game day atmosphere. FACT
GW is NOT the evil demon set on destroying everything good about our team, or organization, the TA, all in some kind of kiss ass\climb the corporate ladder. In my opinion, FACT.

The FO could use a better PR department. In my opinion, yes

The TA thinks they are more important than they are. In my opinion, yes

MP gets way too into the weeds of the day to day soccer operations. In my opinion, yes

I am tired of talking about politics off the field BS, and how great our support is. FACT.

I have seen positive improvements. I am excited to see the results follow. I am not expecting that soon…

by SMP PDX on Aug 23, 2025 1:08 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Out of curiosity

I’m wondering how important the TA are versus how important they think they are.

by Daaaaave on Aug 23, 2025 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think they are important

To the game day experience. I also think the support they showed pre mls helped get mls to pdx. That said, it seems it has gone to the head of some. (not talking about this board, but other boards, twitter, and game day discussions). Perhaps I am wrong. Perhaps there is not a belief within that they are bigger than the club.

by SMP PDX on Aug 23, 2025 4:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's an impossible thing to guage

And again, if you think match day atmosphere is the only good thing about the TA I remind you about OPI, Harper’s Playground, Oregon Food Bank, sponsoring youth players like Rubin, etc.

Also, I really believe many individuals in the TA just want to “jump and clap and sing for victory” but view the current events as a major inflection point for the club and feel compelled to speak up.

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by yepyou'reright on Aug 23, 2025 5:16 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions  

Emotion v. Logic

I think the Perkins trade just sent people into an emotionally charged tailspin.

Looking at the trade, it logically makes sense to me. I get why it was made, I am ok with it. In fact, I like it.

I get that he was a favorite around here and obviously the way GW handled things in the press made it 100x worse… I just think it’s important to keep things in perspective. Factoring in the past power struggle allowed the Perkins trade to ignite something that had been long festering.

by twbivens on Aug 23, 2025 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fallacy

I don’t know of a single “OGTA” (and I know most/all of them) who would ever say that the TA is bigger than the club. I believe they would say that the TA is indivisible from the club. I could cite a couple dozen examples of famous players/coaches and other people associated with the game who state that owners, GMs, managers and even players are caretakers who do their best to honorably tend to the club as they pass through, but the supporters are the constant. We built this brand when no one else was interested. We were here when there was little salary for players, less coverage in the media and crapped upon not just by other sports fans but by soccer fans who told us that this level of soccer “wasn’t good enough for them”. People who forget, or never bothered to learn, that before there was GWout there was Bobby Out and “How many L’s in Agnello”? The supporters are the lifeblood of a club and without supporters the tv deals and sponsorship $ go away. You may decide that this makes supporters unacceptably egocentric, but it’s far from a unique perspective among supporters around the world. Are we bigger than the club? Absolutely not. But we will outlast this owner, this GM and this regime.

by Daaaaave on Aug 23, 2025 7:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

The part where that is not really what he says?

Slightly inflammatory reply title aside, I think the whole quote reads a but differently than just “kiss Gavin’s ass.”

“@mpacific when we win a cup I hope the same morons starting this movement line up to kiss gavin’s ass.”

Not necessarily better, but the meaning/sentiment behind it changes (to me at least) when you look at the whole tweet.

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